The Ultimate Why There Is Evil in the World Thread.

[Hatshepsut]

But which request?

Are you capable of reading comprehension, or are you deliberately trying to muddy the water? In the context of the exchange, a selected part you chose to quote, the phrase "initial request" refers to chad's "show that a better world is possible without resorting to speculation".

Incidentally, your breach of Rule 14 on my quote, reinstated above, has been reported.

The thing's getting so cluttered with posts quoting other posts that it's hard to follow. That was a real question. The answer's clear at this point.

Although I don't follow the numbered rule list, it is ordinarily permissible to use ellipses .... to indicate that part of a quoted source is left out. There's an arrow button to go back to the source. It looks neater that way. I don't think omitting the words "malformed" and "dishonest" and leaving "set up to fail" materially misrepresents what you said.

Before we were created, it was impossible to do anything for us, because there was no us to be benefited.  The act of creating in the first place can only be because God wants to do so, which means he lacks something that he desires.  This is proof that god is defective.

Which assumes that God had this desire to "do things for us" before he created the world. It's possible that he did not have that desire until after we were here, so that he wasn't lacking anything. Another premise used here is that lacking something is actually a defect, although it's common; St. Augustine & Thomas Aquinas both used it.

And the idea that creating the world as we have it is for our benefit is so fucking stupid...

Here, it looks like he didn't have that desire after all. We can't have it both ways.

Your other argument is much stronger I think. Indeed, why heaven? Why create a suffering universe with heaven later, instead of just having heaven in one step? I don't know what the answer to that one is for sure. But we should recall that heaven is a reward which is earned.