(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:(May 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Show me one thing that supports the notion of a god, that cannot be explained by more mundane things which might themselves need explanation, that doesn't have its basis in crusty mythology. That's all I ask. The stone in my shoe is capable of proving its existence. Why can't a god?
The stone in your shoe is your own conscious experience, which you feel but cannot show. First, display your senses, which should be perceivable and after that ask me about God.
I can rely on my senses, generally speaking, because they relay consistent data. A stone in my shoe will feel like a stone and not, say, a slug. In fact, the moment my senses start giving conflicting data is the moment I am aware that something is wrong.
But more than that, I can examine the stone, weigh it, measure it. I may even remember where I was when it got into my shoe. I can give it to someone else who can verify it independently. They might subject it to chemical and spectroscopic analysis, so as to determine what minerals it's made from; maybe even its age. It might be found to be a meteorite, something not readily apparent to the untrained eye at first glance.
So there's quite a lot we can do to discern the truth, be it stones or anything else, and have those results confirmed independently. Show me one single instance of a god meeting these same criteria and surviving analysis as a simple stone.
(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:(May 15, 2015 at 11:52 am)Stimbo Wrote: And what have we learned?
Make appeasement to me in the form of human sacrifice and if it pleases me, I increase your Internet speed. The figures prove it - what can't speak, can't lie.
Atheism is about 3000 years old and yet atheists are only 2% of the world population after passing of 3000 years. Are you able to see the hidden truth in these figures (what cannot speak, cannot lie) or you need some assistance in order to understand them?
Argument from popularity and completely irrelevant.
(May 16, 2015 at 2:06 pm)Harris Wrote:(May 15, 2015 at 1:58 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That loser. No wonder his dad kicked him out.
Arrogance is the hallmark of atheism.
Irony is the hallmark of theism.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'