(May 17, 2015 at 5:22 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:And you didn't reply to its supposed conflict with the allegedly regularized creed from Paul.(May 17, 2015 at 3:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: [Verse replaced with original quotation from the NIV. -Jorm]
Why did you change the verse?
Quote:It reads like an interpolation to me. If this is the entirety upon which you're resting an early composition of the gospels, I'm afraid that reed won't hold the weight.
The entirety. Of course not. It is simply one of many pieces of evidence that point to a probable conclusion.
Quote:Acts 10:40-41: "This one God did raise up the third day, and gave him to become manifest, not to all the people, but to witnesses, to those having been chosen before by God -- to us who did eat with [him], and did drink with him, after his rising out of the dead;"
That's Luke, the self-same one you claim was a companion of Paul and who recorded an "orderly account."
Well, technically, it's Peter quoted by Luke:
(May 17, 2015 at 6:23 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: As for the ORAL histories, this is another strength of the Christian argument. Perhaps I will type it out at some point. But here's a preview:This is sheer speculation. What can be asserted without evidence.... And the evidence of heterogenous sects in early Christianity undermines the claim of such a reliable oral tradition.
The Jews were a people of the book (the Torah), but they were also an oral culture. This means they had exceptional memories for the spoken word - a skill that is largely lost today with our smartphones, etc. However, it is not unusual even today for Muslim clerics to have the entire Qur'an memorized, and those who have done so are honored with the title of "Hafiz" or "Hafiza". It was not unusual for Jewish Rabbis to memorize large portions of the OT, either.
In that context, the community that formed the early Christian Church was capable of remembering accurately the life and sayings of someone they believed to be God. And since living eyewitnesses were still available for consultation, it wasn't so difficult for the authors to check their facts before publication.
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