RE: The Historical Reliability of the New Testament
May 23, 2015 at 10:07 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2015 at 10:08 am by Jenny A.)
(May 23, 2015 at 9:17 am)Randy Carson Wrote: After a bit of...interaction with the mods, I'm not 100% certain about what I can and cannot post at this point. Therefore, I'm going to outline the case I WOULD have made and wait to see what happens next.
With the reliability of the gospels established by the weight of the evidence, we must consider two additional points:
- The four gospels clearly show that Jesus claimed to be God.
- The four gospels contain clear support for the resurrection of Jesus which He offered as proof of His claims.
There are reasons to dispute all of your premises, especially that the Gospels were eyewitness accounts or that they were attributed to the Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John early. Nor is there much corroboration of the Gospels elsewhere in the historic record. The Gospels contradict each other. And what historical records we do have contradict the Gospels.
I don't have time for a point by by analysis, but you have yet to do that either.
My major point is that you simply cannot prove god, or miracles, or a resurrection via eyewitness testimony, even if it were modern day eyewitness who you could cross-examine. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof in order to make them more likely than not. For example, if I claimed my dog flies, my say so, even in a court of law under oath would be unlikely to convince anyone because the chances that I would be lying or disillusion would be much greater than the chances of a wingless flying dog. So too if I and my whole family claimed my great grandmother rose from the dead last Friday. That would be so even if our disinterested neighbors agreed. To prove her resurrection would need to provide solid physical evidence of her death, produce the great grand mother herself, and provide proof of her identity. Even then, we'd have a hard time proving that she really had died and that she wasn't someone else. This is why skeptical people do not believe in ghosts, ESP, or UFO abductions despite tons of eyewitnesses.
So, I see your quest to prove the resurrection or that Jesus was god via the Bible as hopeless. Regardless of whether the claims you make about it above are true, the Bible is not sufficient evidence on which to base supernatural claims. No historical account is.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.