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The Historical Reliability of the New Testament
RE: The Historical Reliability of the New Testament
(May 26, 2015 at 11:42 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Christians call the first three Gospels "Synoptic", meaning "similar", in a tacit admission that John's Gospel sits oddly alongside of them. 

John is different. Why is this a problem?

See, atheists want to have it both ways. On the one hand, they point to similarities in the accounts of the four gospels and cry, "See! They've colluded with one another. The Catholic Church orchestrated this conspiracy. The witnesses have rehearsed their testimonies." Well, yeah, they did, actually. Hundreds of times. It's called preaching, and it's what the apostles (like all Christians) were called to do. And that rehearsal works in favor of a reliable translation of the gospel message into our hands, not against it.

But on the other hand, skeptics like to point out the "discrepancies" among the various accounts of certain events and the distinctiveness of John when compared to the synoptics as evidence that the eye-witnesses couldn't get their stories straight.

Well, which is it Deist? You can't have it both ways.

Quote:Really, where do I begin in the daunting task of detailing just how badly this Gospel is a complete rewrite of the entire story, featuring a completely new character? Is it really even necessary?

Don't waste your time butchering the subject. Anyone who wants to can simply read John for himself.

Quote:For now, let's just say that John's Gospel is clearly written at a much later date.

Arguably the only thing you've written correctly in the last dozen paragraphs.

Quote:"The Jews", not the pharisees, not the high priests, not the scribes but THE JEWS are a separate and hostile sect.

By 95 AD? Sure. It was after the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, and after the destruction of the Temple which put an end to Temple sacrifices. The Jews had martyred several leading members of the Church and general persecution had broken out. So, yeah...the groups were separate.

Quote:Jesus, instead of being a separate being with a subordinate will to his father, inferior knowledge to his father and spoke of and to his father in 2nd and 3rd person while the booming voice from on high did likewise, John's Jesus was one with his father.

Sure. John had the advantage of an extra 30-40 years of reflection on what the incarnation meant. You got this right, also (though that was not your intent).

Quote:Jesus didn't need to be baptized by John the Baptist nor did he require John the Baptist to get out of the way. Jesus opened up a rival baptism franchise and beat John the Baptist as his own game while JtB cheered him on. What a guy! Jesus didn't start his ministry in a backwater town and made his way to Jerusalem but rather kicked it off in the temple of Jerusalem! 

You might review John 1 and John 2 again.

Quote:Reliable eye-witness accounts my ass. 

You wrote, "I'm now going to cross-examine the witnesses. Everyone get out your Bibles, Occam's Razors and a full Haz-mat suit because this is going to be bloody."

Read

That's it? You're done?

Moving on...
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RE: The Historical Reliability of the New Testament - by Randy Carson - May 31, 2015 at 4:46 pm

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