(September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Rayaan Wrote: A naturalistic explanation would ultimately lead to something which doesn't require anymore explanation because that is the source of explanation for everything else. That's why God doesn't have to be so complex. He could be so simple that it's beyond our grasp to understand His true nature. The simplest thing could also be the greatest and the most mysterious thing you can ever imagine (or can't imagine).Of course, the muslim ideology allows for god to explain everything without being an explaination himself. How very convenient.
(September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Rayaan Wrote: We can't understand the mind of God. Maybe it can exist all by itself without needing a brain like we do.And that, among other reasons, is a good reason for god to be unnecessary as an explaination for anything - as god is not such an explaination for anything. The entire concept has no predictive or empirical value to actually prove anything.
(September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Rayaan Wrote: It's more than just feelings.That's nice, but only with evidence can you actually prove anything.
It's a combination of faith + reason + intuition - the evidence only.
(September 24, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Rayaan Wrote: I don't know the answer to that, but it's possible that He gave the universe some kind of a self-organizational intelligence to ultimately sort out everything by itself to finally bring out the result which He had planned for. Yet again, maybe He could've done it the first time if He wanted to.So... he created the universe but didn't necessarily need to have anything else to do with it and all the evidence in the universe can't get to the point of actually proving a creator. Even if such a being exists, then why bother with it anyway? Particularly when the naturalistic laws can bring about the same explailnation without the necessity of extra and unnecessary complexities, such as a supernatural and omnipotent intelligence.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
