RE: Why be good?
June 4, 2015 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2015 at 9:53 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(June 4, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:(June 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: How can an immaterial being exist in a material world?
And more to the point, how can you, or any other human (including the ones who wrote the Bible) know anything about the immaterial?
Well, in one sense, God is outside of space and time, Parker, so He doesn't exist "in" a material world. OTOH, God became incarnate and took on our flesh, so there's that.
In other words, bald assertion with no evidence?
Yeah, I'll pass. You got anything better?
(June 4, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: But we know of God in a number of ways including:
1. Reason. We can look at the created universe and discern a designer.
Not necessarily. If there was a designer, he designed the appendix, cancer, bubonic plague, and so on. He designed black holes that swallow up everything around them, he designed humans who chops the heads off of their enemies, and impacted wisdom teeth. He designed humans susceptible to temptation, a Universe largely hostile to their existence, and then your padres designed a religion to convince everyone that he is good.
Sorry, sounds like bullshit to me. Try again?
(June 4, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: 2. We have the natural law of God written upon our hearts which causes us to consider its source.
Lol. The heart is not paper, morality is noticeable by its absence in Christians -- especially you Catholics -- and your own Bible bespeaks the horrors he has ordered.
This point of yours is the objection of someone who has not thought through his own morality. You exemplify the tendency of Christianity to make its followers morally blase.
(June 4, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: 3. God can reveal Himself to us in various ways - individually and corporately.
Evidence?
Please tell me you're capable of a more thoughtful post. Please tell me you've actually practiced introspection.
Because quite frankly, you're simply regurgitating talking points I've heard for decades now, that even as a youth I found wanting, and that even being the dullard I am found it this easy to brush off.
If God needs this sort of tripe to win votes, he's in deep shit. Surely a perfectly intelligent god can construct an unrebuttable argument. This shit is child's play.
(June 4, 2015 at 5:55 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Yes, the Central and South American Catholics do have a lot of devotions that border on or cross over into superstition.
Yes, because believing in an immaterial creator who made both fallible men and the serpent who tempted them into mortal sin, only to sacrifice an avatar of himself -- born of a virgin woman! -- in order to absolve the human sin he knew he would create, while some holy spirit held everything together ...
... that's certainly not superstition.
Tell us again how your Bible is reasonable.
(June 4, 2015 at 7:36 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Finite crimes against an infinite God are not so finite. Punishment shows justice.
Demonstrate that infinite god, first.
It's sad, watching a smart person like you simply race to his knees in order to placate his programming. It's sad watching you abdicate your intelligence to the empty promise of a just-so story.
But hey, it's your life. Throw it away knobbing an imaginary cock all you want.
