RE: Stump the Christian?
June 11, 2015 at 10:46 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2015 at 10:47 am by Anima.)
(June 11, 2015 at 10:34 am)dyresand Wrote:(June 11, 2015 at 10:21 am)Anima Wrote: I am sorry. Are you trying to provide a definition for an unknown thing to say it is not something? That would be one amazing feat. While you may provide the minimum aspect or function of said thing (counteracts gravitational force), since it unknown you cannot state the limit or extent of that thing or what the thing is. To do so is to presuppose what the thing is (which I understand is bigot thing that only Christians do.)
What i am trying to say is dark energy/matter is a thing. We know its there because we know the universe expands. The stars galaxies that NASA takes pictures of isn't even there anymore. Rather the light from said galaxies are reaching us and giving us a peek into what was there at that point. To explain that a bit better, distance in a vacuum that being said stars in the night sky when you look up might not even be there anymore because light and information takes light years to reach us. So those galaxies nasa has taken pictures off aren't even there anymore due to expansion. Stars and other formations more than likely gone. That being said when they do reach there eventual collapse and go supernova and or collapses into itself turning into a black hole. We will still see a star but once again it would take billions of light years for new information and or light to reach us.
And what I am saying is you do not even know if it is a thing. You suppose it to be a thing. Just a dark matter is not necessarily stuff but could be explained by alternative theories of gravitation. All you know is the current theory is not accounting for an observable phenomenon. So, if we are honest with ourselves we will recognize dark matter and energy are just another way of saying there may be something and since we do not know what that something is we will say it is matter and energy because the former (under our current theory, which is not accounting for the phenomenon) would need to supply extra mass within galaxies (but not between galaxies) and the latter would need to supply extra energy between galaxies (but not within the galaxies themselves).
(June 11, 2015 at 10:45 am)dyresand Wrote:(June 11, 2015 at 10:38 am)SteveII Wrote: I am not trying to prove anything here. All I can do is compare other religious to my list of 8 and see how they stack up. If another religions takes into account my list and theorizes a different scenario, I would also consider that religion reasonable. Again, not true, just reasonable.
You are intellectually dishonest and you refuse to learn. Evolution is solid fact we have a common ancestor. The fact being you would
rather using straw mam and even apologist tactics show how dishonest christianity and religion is in general. You are not helping
religion at all. You are for the most part would be a laughing stock in the EU and RU. Because we tried telling you that you are wrong and
here is why you never wanted to bother really reading it and tried to worm your way around it.
Evolution is not a fact. Again it is theory (one which I believe) and just as stipulated by Charles Darwin it is in keeping with theistic beliefs/views.