Stump the Christian?

[Randy Carson]

Measure the immaterial? The immaterial is immeasurable, that's why there's no proof anything immaterial exists. And science can say a lot more about god, namely that it is an unfalsifiable claim and therefore garbage. You could make hundreds of such claims, all exactly as valid as god.

Okay. It is unfalsifiable. Now, we can walk across campus to the philosophy building where discussions about the existence of God are properly held.

Finally, as one website is honest enough to admit, the KCA is "sophisticated, extensive" and "the most rigourous argument for theism that has ever been presented." And that was an ATHEIST website. The author goes on to take his shot at debunking the KCA, but lots of people have tried their hand at that and failed.

Link please. And who said atheists can't be full of shit? [/quote]

Ah...agreement at last.

Aren't you glad that today, I finally meet the 30/30 requirement? Here is the link:

DR. CRAIG'S UNSUPPORTED PREMISE
By Francois Tremblay
Posted June 15, 2004
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Craig.cfm

Needless to say, I've not read anything in this forum to date that convinces me that anyone here is any closer to accomplishing the feat.

Could it be because you're ignoring everything that is being said?
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Nah, I took the time to read all four threads. The real problem could be that it's simply all over my head.