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Atheism, Evidence and the God-of-the-Gaps

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RE: Atheism, Evidence and the God-of-the-Gaps

June 14, 2015 at 10:32 am

(June 14, 2015 at 1:31 am)Faith No More Wrote: What a weird argument. Arguing that atheism is unfalsifiable is arguing that you can't prove your God exists, and since you can't do that, boom, I'm an atheist.

I think what Horn is pointing out is that if atheism is not falsifiable, then it is unscientific.

The point is that if the atheist GotG objection is true, then it proves too much.

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