(June 15, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 15, 2015 at 7:28 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: You've yet to define "murder" and establish it is in fact a "universal truth", whatever that means.
Good point.
By murder I mean to kill an innocent person without their consent. Not in self defense, and not assisted suicide.
By "universal truth" I mean that it is definitely immoral to murder someone, regardless of what a particular person might think. Isis thinks it's ok and even good to kill infidels. But they are wrong. It is never moral to murder someone, and that is what it is regardless of what anyone may think. That's what I mean when I say it is a universal truth.
I don't think your definition is a "universal truth," Many cultures do not consider killing other people in war murder even if the victims are civilians. Speaking of war is a soldier drafted against his will an innocent person? Assume for the moment he hasn't killed anyone. If you are a soldier on the other side and you kill him, are you a murderer?
At various times in history, killing slaves/serf has not been considered murder. In many places in the U.S. self defense includes defense of your home from felony. In ancient Rome a man had a legal right to kill any dependent member of his household. Many ancient cultures did not consider exposing babies murder. Also sacrificing innocent (often they were required to be pure and innocent) victims to the gods was considered moral in many societies. Some cultures expose the elderly to the elements. Hebrew law required killing rape victims. I could go on, the point is that coming up with a universal definition of murder is well nigh impossible.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
