RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 16, 2015 at 4:28 am
(This post was last modified: June 16, 2015 at 4:41 am by robvalue.)
Good night then
Thanks for answering my questions.
When you rejoin us, maybe you could define what "good" and "morality" actually mean to you, specifically? Are they about wellbeing versus harm, and if not, why should I care about them? If they are, isn't it pretty obvious on the whole what causes harm and what aids wellbeing? You admit we all differ on the finer points, that is to be expected from subjective but not objective morality. Also, "what God says is good" is subjective to God, not objective. If it was objective, it would also apply to God, and he couldn't change it.
Also, what logic did you use to decide Christianity is true? You've already discarded most of the bible as irrelevant. If I picked up a book and wanted to learn something from it and I was three quarters of the way through and so far it was getting it all wrong, why on Earth would I read any more or expect it to suddenly be right?
There's not a lot to say from our perspective. On the whole, we use empathy and reason. Not a lot more to it. We know what hurts us, so we don't do that to other people. The more general explanation is evolution, the natural selection of those who cooperate. All religion does is try and credit "God" with all this.

When you rejoin us, maybe you could define what "good" and "morality" actually mean to you, specifically? Are they about wellbeing versus harm, and if not, why should I care about them? If they are, isn't it pretty obvious on the whole what causes harm and what aids wellbeing? You admit we all differ on the finer points, that is to be expected from subjective but not objective morality. Also, "what God says is good" is subjective to God, not objective. If it was objective, it would also apply to God, and he couldn't change it.
Also, what logic did you use to decide Christianity is true? You've already discarded most of the bible as irrelevant. If I picked up a book and wanted to learn something from it and I was three quarters of the way through and so far it was getting it all wrong, why on Earth would I read any more or expect it to suddenly be right?
There's not a lot to say from our perspective. On the whole, we use empathy and reason. Not a lot more to it. We know what hurts us, so we don't do that to other people. The more general explanation is evolution, the natural selection of those who cooperate. All religion does is try and credit "God" with all this.
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