RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 19, 2015 at 12:06 am
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2015 at 12:13 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 18, 2015 at 11:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote:Quote:'m sorry, I don't understand these questions. Can you rephrase?
The additional bit, in parenthesis at the bottom, essentially asked you how you take these questions when they are asked -of you-, and your experience with this conversation up to this point. You might be feeling a little bit of what we feel in this conversation...you might be having a common experience with us, right now. So...what is it like?
*More academically, the church refers to natural law....and gods disgust for the act, but is something right simply because it is natural law, and does god's disgust actually form a proper moral justification?
Thank you for asking. I appreciate that you care to know how things are going for me.
My experience has been mostly very positive. I have really enjoyed talking to all of you. I am humbled that so many of you took the time to come here and talk to me when you could have just ignored me. I like talking to people who have such different views because I feel like I can learn a lot from you. If I was talking only to people who felt the same way as me about everything, I wouldn't be learning and growing. That, and it's just boring lol.
It has gotten a little overwhelming at times, especially when I am being misunderstood or when I have to repeat the same thing over several times, but that is expected in online forums where some communication gets lost in the shuffle.
God's disgust for what act?
(June 18, 2015 at 11:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote:(June 15, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: This is kind of a spinoff of the WHY BE GOOD thread.
The question I have for atheists, isn't "why by good." I think it's simplistic and deeply flawed to think that the only reason to "be good" is to avoid Hell. And of course, I believe that anyone can be a good person regardless of beliefs.
The question I have for atheists is how do we know what IS good?
Religious or not, we all somehow know that certain things are intrinsically, universally immoral. Let's use murder as an obvious example. So if murder is wrong, where did this law come from? If this is a universal truth, where did this truth come from and who/what determined it to be what it is?
I don't believe murder is always wrong. I also disagree when you say that there is an intrinsic morality, you live on a world where there are pacifists who wouldn't hurt a fly, and others who have insane blood lust and kill without remorse.
I guarantee even on this forum there will be a vast spectrum of what people believe is right or wrong so I wonder how you could come to the conclusion that some things are universally known to be right or wrong?
It doesn't make any sense for certain things to ever be moral. Like rape, or slavery, or torturing children. Regardless of how different a culture is, if they think any of those things are moral, I'd have to say they are wrong to think that. This suggests that there are moral laws that are written in stone, verses just being whatever society deems fit at the time.
(June 19, 2015 at 12:03 am)Rhythm Wrote:(June 18, 2015 at 11:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I owe an apology to Rhythm as well as another member who's name I forgot lol.
They have both asked me my thoughts on vicarious redemption last night, and I am just now posting about it. I planned on writing a whole long post about it in my own words once I read up on it some, but at this point I think I'm just going to paste a link on here. I agree with everything it says, and I think the author covers it pretty well and puts it into words much better then I ever could:
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2002/end-n...redemption
I really don't want to jump down your throat like I'd jump down the author's...and I'm sure you don't agree with -everything- the author has to say...so, maybe, just summarize the parts you do agree with? I have some really nasty things to say............about the nasty things I just read, and I don't want to hit you with shit you wouldn't put your name to.
You don't have to address them to me. You can just make a post about how much you disagree with that article. I'd rather we just go that route, because I must admit its kind of late where I live right now and I don't feel like reading that whole long thing again and summarizing it lol.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
