RE: Stump the Christian?
June 20, 2015 at 7:20 pm
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm by Randy Carson.)
(June 20, 2015 at 5:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(June 20, 2015 at 5:39 pm)Randy Carson. Wrote: I also understand that you cannot see the evidence and proofs for Christianity and God clearly. It does exist,Put up or shut up Randy, it's that simple..same as anything in life. I hope you don't mind that I snipped the rest of your faith based comments. I don't require them and they are -fundamentally unconvincing- to me. You claim to have evidence -and- proofs, plural...no less. Get to work on that or be satisfied as a liar for christ, it's always been your call.
Why am I a liar for accepting evidence that you cannot understand? You have not (apparently) received the grace necessary to see, so nothing I can do can open your eyes. I could speak of:
- the fact that Jesus was a real person and not a myth
- the historical reliability of the New Testament
- the evidence for the resurrection
- the change in the disciples after the resurrection appearances
- the change from Sabbath worship to worship on the first day of the week - unthinkable for Jews!
- the change from circumcision to non-circumcision - unthinkable for Jews!
- the rise of the early Church in the face of immense persecution
- the spread of the Christian message throughout the world
- the unbroken apostolic succession from Peter to Pope Francis over 2,000 years
I could argue:
- the Kalam Cosmological Argument
- the Teleological Argument
- or any one of nearly two dozen logical proofs of God which are discussed even today at the highest levels of academia (while being dismissed soooo easily by Internet forum denizens)
I could refer you to dozens (if not hundreds) of Old Testament prophecies that point to Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God.
I could cite personal testimonies not of cradle Christians but of former atheists - philosophers and scientists - who came to a position of faith in a personal God.
So, in all I could cite:
Historical Evidence
Philosophical Proofs
Old Testament Prophecy
Personal Testimony
And with all of this and more arrayed before you, you would continue to ASSERT that there simply is no evidence.
Proof beyond a shadow of a doubt? No. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Absolutely.
But you can't or won't see it. That's spiritual blindness.
(And mark my words, it won't be more than an hour or so before someone in this forum takes it upon himself or herself to go down my lists above and cite the reasons I'm wrong in each and every case. But the refutation offered won't make a dent in what I've said, because I haven't even scratched the surface of what is available to support faith in a personal creator God. That would take volumes.)