What IS good, and how do we determine it?

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It's nice that you think it is a given that Jesus was against slavery. I certainly can't agree. You find ways to make the text say what you want it to say, which is what everyone does. As long as you come to the conclusion slavery is wrong, I don't care how you do it Your morality is superior to the bible.

Jesus didn't talk about rape though and then not say anything bad about it. He didn't talk about what you should do while being raped, and how to respect the person who is raping you. Of course you'd like to see it as "obvious" but that long ago, you can't take much for granted morality wise.

You really don't need the bible or the church to tell you right from wrong, as you have demonstrated many times already!