RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 24, 2015 at 11:03 pm
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2015 at 11:07 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 24, 2015 at 8:15 pm)Metis Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 8:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I agree. But they are dangerous because they believe horrible things (rape, murder, etc) are moral. This does not apply to Randy.
Actually the Salafists (what ISIS are) are against rape and murder, but they make a separation between "just" and "deserved" (Salafists deserve protection but everyone else is just cattle to be used as wished). It's rather akin to the Catholic doctrine of Just war; killing is bad, but some people like heretics should be killed as well.
The 10 commandments are pretty explicit about "Thou Shalt Not Kill", but the Catholic Church does not condemn Capital Punishment. Francis may personally complain about it but you may have noticed he does not forbid it.
Well, Randy has not said that any rape is just or deserved, so there is no need to worry or to associate him/compare him to the likes of isis.
And just to clarify, Catholic doctrine does not teach that killing heretics is wrong. There is a list of conditions for a war to be justified, and it basically comes down to being the last resort for preserving the most human life possible. It's a pretty high bar.
(June 24, 2015 at 8:17 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:Fair enough.(June 24, 2015 at 7:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Then perhaps you should focus your energy on those types of people. Randy is not one of them.
I, for one, have never met a single Christian or Jew who honestly believed God wants them to rape. Not saying there aren't crazies out there, but the normal person does not come out from reading the bible believing that this is what God wants. As long as Randy believes rape is wrong, why does it matter, to you, that he reads/believes the bible? This is an honest question, btw. Not trying to be rude. I'm just a little perplexed as to why anyone would let it bother them so much.
Who said God wants anyone to rape?? I don't think anyone has.
I've said he condones rape, meaning he accepts and allows it. Give me one good example of God bringing justice to a rapist for the crime of rape.
Hint: making him pay daddy and marry his victim doesn't count; there's absolutely no justice for the rape victim there.
I've never met any Christian or Jew who honestly believe God condones rape. As I have explained in several other posts, Randy was not saying that God condones rape.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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