What IS good, and how do we determine it?

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The thing is, to most of us in civilized society, basic morality is obvious. So if you assume Jesus is good, then Jesus must agree with those good things that are obvious. Therefor he thinks them, even if he didn't say them.

In other words, you don't need him at all. He's just a reflection of what you already know is good. I mean, what do we have so far?

Rape: nice Christians says its wrong. Bible says its fine under some circumstances.

Slavery: nice Christians say it's wrong. Bible says its fine under some circumstances plus you can beat them.

Killing a whole town full of people because you heard a voice in your head: nice Christian says it is wrong, the bible actively encourages it.

Killing your own family members because you hear a voice in your head: nice Christian says its wrong, bible actively encourages it.

And so on. The nice Christian is so ridiculous better versed in morality than the bible could ever be, they just don't need it. They've been programmed to believe they need it, in my opinion.