Miracle

[Harris]

No. No, it really isn't. You're just saying it's so amazing, therefor god. It's an argument from incredulity.

Quran is a miracle and there is no doubt about it. Let me expose one more miracle of Quran to which there is no scientific and no philosophical explanation.

According to a conservative non-official study, there are about thirty million Hafiz around the world. Hafiz/Hafiza is a person who memorise complete Quran word-by-word in its original Arabic language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hafiz_(Quran)

About 75% of Hafiz are those who do not understand Arabic yet they memorise whole Quran in original Arabic language.

I ask you to give your best try to find at least:

• One hundred people in the world who have memorised in their native language a complete book/scripture that is equivalent in magnitude of Quran.
• Ten people around the world who have memorised a complete book/scripture in language that they do not understand which is equivalent in magnitude of Quran.

I am talking about 22.5 million people (approximately) who do not understand Arabic but they have memorised Quran word-by-word in its original Arabic language.

Which science, philosophy, and psychology can explicate this living miracle?

“And We have indeed made the Quran easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?”
Al-Qamar (54)
-Verse 17-

lolwut? I can't provide any base or foundation to ANY facts mentioned in the Quran.

There is no coherent and foundational reason that can elucidate why scientific facts appeared in Quran when human knowledge to understand these facts was premature.

Look, you are saying that finding some science in the Quran is a miracle. If it IS a miracle, it's not science, because that's not what science means.

Current scientific facts are not miracles but there presence in 7th century Quran is indeed a miracle.

Nuclear bombs, computers, telephones, cars. These are the products of science. If science is God-given, then why didn't Muhammad have a personal jet? Why wasn't he broadcasting his sermons to everyone's hand phones? Why didn't he just shoot his enemies, instead of beheading them with swords? What, God hadn't figured out that science yet? Here's a hint-- if the best knowledge is always shrouded in mystery and metaphor, it's because it's not really that good after all. We have REAL science now-- science that's in the open, that has a clear meaning, that is based on observations rather than mystery and metaphor.

Presence of scientific facts in Quran is an evidence that this scripture cannot be the work of human hands and that is it. At several occasions, I have pushed this idea but it seems that you have some issues in understanding this simple point.

Well first of all the brain is responsible for the sensation of pain along with the skin, the skin senses the pain, it transmits signals to the spinal cord and then into the brain. look at the list of info given in the quran about skin and burning.

1) Burning hurts.
2) burning destroys skin to the point where it no longer feels pain.

So for the first one, yes I think a person living in the 7th century knew that burning hurt. And for the second one, well people still suffered from 3rd and 4th degree burns in the 7th century, so all they would have to know are the symptoms of 3rd and 4th degree burns. And I'm actually giving the quran the benefit of the doubt that it is talking about the skin feeling no pain once it has suffered 3rd or 4th degree burns.  It actually might just be talking about the skin being roasted then being replaced before the person dies of the 4th degree burns they are suffering.

Indeed, brain processes the stimulus generated by pain receptors in the skin. The point to note here is that without pain receptors brain is unable to process the pain of burning. However, people in the past were thinking that brain alone is the responsible organ to give us burning sensation. People were very unaware of the fact that without skin brain alone cannot process pain of burning. When skin sends the signals to brain only then brain processes those signals. Without skin, brain cannot feel the burning sensation.

“Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”
An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 56-

Additionally I love the fact that the verses which are considered to be miracles in the quran are the most horrible brutal non sense. They make god look the same as a man who says if you reject what I say I'll blow your fucking legs off with this shotgun I have underneath this cloth then torture you repeatedly.  But worse. First the Quran says god creates a man.

Quote:Sahih International

O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous –

Then he makes a man disbelieve in Islam by misguiding them.

Quote:Sahih International

So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does Allah place defilement upon those who do not believe.

(This verse is also consider to be a scientific miracle)

Quote:Sahih International

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.

Followed by this scientific miracle. You don't even have to do anything bad.  Just disbelieve Muhammad's verses, after being misguided by allah, and the punishment is being thrown into the fire and repeatedly roasted.

It seems you are in love with Jochen Katz. Only he has the courage to submit such thoughtless and narrow-minded arguments.

You have quoted verse 125 out of context. Verse 125 is linked with verse 124:

“When there comes to them a sign from Allah., They say: "We shall not believe until we receive one (exactly) like those received by Allah’s apostles." Allah knoweth best where (and how) to carry out His mission. Soon will the wicked be overtaken by humiliation before Allah, and a severe punishment, for all their plots.”
Al An'am (6)
-Verse 124-

“Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth TO LEAVE STRAYING,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.”
Al An'am (6)
-Verse 125-

Verse 125 is for the transgressors not for righteous and virtuous people who live their lives by submitting their wills to the Will of God and who obey God’s commandments and endeavour to get close to God.

People who break the divine laws with intent and transgress the limits set by God are the arrogant people and verses 124 and 125 explicitly talks about such people. Out from those transgressors to some God will give the guidance and leave some astray.

“Nay, the wrong-doers (merely) follow their own lusts, being devoid of knowledge. But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray? To them there will be no helpers.”
Ar Ruum (30)
-Verse 29-

“Those who dispute about the Signs of Allah, without any authority that hath reached them, grievous and odious (is such conduct) in the sight of Allah and of the Believers. Thus doth Allah, seal up every heart - of arrogant and obstinate Transgressors.”
Al Mu'min (40)
-Verse 35-

“Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?”
Al Jaatsiyah (45)
-Verse 23-

God has promised to give righteous people His guidance and reward.

“Then those who believe in Allah, and hold fast to Him,- soon will He admit them to mercy and grace from Himself, and GUIDE them to Himself by a straight way.”
An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 175-

“And those who strive in Our (cause),- We will certainly GUIDE them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right.”
Al 'Ankabuut (29)
-Verse 69-

Isn't the only reason we have science is to separate the bullshit from the truth? Religion and science by definition are natural enemies. Science will win in the end, simply because it's still true, whether we acknowledge it or not. Even long after man has died off.

I will not comment on other religions but Science and Islam are by no means enemies as Islam is a natural religion. That is the reason none of those nine scientific facts that I have quoted from Quran are in contradiction with the facts acquired through contemporary methods of science.

You twist and stretch those verses to mean what you want them to mean; your confirmation bias and presupposition are obvious to all but yourself.

If you think I have twisted and stretched all those verses then you are welcome to straighten them IF YOU CAN.