(June 27, 2015 at 10:19 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: We're not creating something else. It is the same institution, with expanded rights to include 10-15% of the population who were excluded. The bottom line is, as the SCOTUS opined, that at its basest level marriage is an intimate contract freely entered by two parties who wish to elevate that intimacy. Excluding anybody who is legally able to consent to that is ludicrous, and a violation of the 14th Amendment. Nothing about your marriage or any other marriage has changed as of yesterday. You've been told it has, but you'll go on just like you did before. If you can tell me one thing about this institution that means so much to you that has changed in regards to your marriage, please feel free to do so.
The sorority analogy isn't apt because fraternal orders were already expanded to include sororities. No one is being denied entry into a fraternal order, because Title IX makes it clear that for every organization for males, there must also be one for females. If you meet the criteria for getting into a fraternal order (Selected Major, referral, etc.) then you will get in provided you pass some draconian test or another. Also, to compare a club to a legal right (one affirmed multiple times by the SCOTUS as a right) is a little misleading. You don't have the right to join a fraternity just because you want to, but you do have the right to get married if you want to.
I disagree that a woman can get into most fraternities providing they meet all the other qualifications. Just like you stated, for every organization for males, there must also be one for females. Fine. You're right about what the SCOTUS declared, and in doing that they redefined marriage. The constitution doesn't declare that everyone must be allowed to be married, but rather that everyone must be allowed equal rights under the law. They have no more moral right to redefine an institution than a university would have to ban any fraternity from the campus because they will not accept women, since sororities are equally accepted and afforded the same status. If they wanted to allow the creation of fraternal organizations of mixed sexes, then that would a much better solution.