(June 28, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote:(June 27, 2015 at 11:24 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: The decision wasn't what I was pointing at. The definition of marriage as a fundamental right, one that is guaranteed by the 14th amendment, is what I was pointing at. If you agree that even with his definition of marriage he was right, now you have to provide a reason that two men don't qualify for equal protection and due process under the law, and why this fundamental right becomes exclusionary.
I keep stating over and over that I believe equal rights should be given to all. That's why I suggested a legal civil union which applies to all Americans, straight or gay, who enter into that contract. Marriage would be a private matter. In that way, government would not be redefining an institution that is so important to so many citizens, yet it would confer equal status and benefits under the law to all who qualify. What is so terrible about that? Marriage came about long before any government was involved.
I agree. Abolish marriage altogether, recognize civil unions legally at the justice of the peace, and those religious folk who wish to sanctify their relationship through a private ceremony can obviously do so, just as gays have been forced to do for decades. Strip religious leaders of the ability to conduct any civil law ceremonies, so that they cannot be obligated to violate their consciences.
Or, you could just say two competent adults can marry each other so long as there's no duress, and be done with it.
One of these is the equivalent of saying, "Well, fuck you, if I can't have it to myself, no one can have it". The other one is saying, "Look, dude, we can all share, and no one loses".
Why are you so adamant about being selfish over a fucking word? Pathetic.