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Your perception of theists
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RE: Your perception of theists
July 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
(July 6, 2015 at 11:14 am)Napoléon Wrote:
(July 6, 2015 at 10:58 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I also think the majority of people can't really control what they do/don't honestly believe in...

... if an atheist came to his conclusions regarding the existence of God by really looking at both sides, doing a lot of reading and thinking, and informing himself, I will have great respect for him.

Does the second bit not contradict the first?

Why have any more respect for someone who's assessed his beliefs, if he can't really control them?

One can respect and admire something that lacks free will.  One may respect and admire a particular Mercedes, and prefer it to a Yugo, without supposing that the Mercedes chose to be a Mercedes and the Yugo chose to be a Yugo.

Likewise, if people lack free will, one can respect and admire an intelligent person, more than one respects and admires someone who was born with a malformed brain who can barely function.  Of course, neither had a choice in their brains, regardless of whether people have free will or not. Many things are respected and admired that are heavily, if not totally, dependent upon things that do not involve free will.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 5, 2015 at 9:05 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Mr.wizard - July 5, 2015 at 9:10 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 5, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Chad32 - July 5, 2015 at 9:15 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Nope - July 5, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by The Valkyrie - July 5, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 6, 2015 at 11:41 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Metis - July 5, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 5, 2015 at 9:24 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Metis - July 5, 2015 at 9:37 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 5, 2015 at 9:39 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Ravenshire - July 5, 2015 at 9:50 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by bennyboy - July 5, 2015 at 10:32 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Ravenshire - July 5, 2015 at 10:39 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by bennyboy - July 6, 2015 at 12:16 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Ravenshire - July 6, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by bennyboy - July 6, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Metis - July 6, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Ravenshire - July 6, 2015 at 11:46 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Metis - July 6, 2015 at 9:21 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Minimalist - July 5, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Ravenshire - July 5, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by rexbeccarox - July 5, 2015 at 9:33 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by The Valkyrie - July 5, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Jackalope - July 5, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Dystopia - July 5, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Spooky - July 5, 2015 at 10:35 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Exian - July 5, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Joko - July 5, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 5, 2015 at 11:24 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Excited Penguin - July 5, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by ignoramus - July 5, 2015 at 11:56 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by SteelCurtain - July 6, 2015 at 12:30 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by rexbeccarox - July 6, 2015 at 12:43 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Whateverist - July 6, 2015 at 12:57 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by KevinM1 - July 6, 2015 at 1:21 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Excited Penguin - July 6, 2015 at 1:40 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by AFTT47 - July 6, 2015 at 1:54 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Excited Penguin - July 6, 2015 at 2:02 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by IATIA - July 6, 2015 at 2:12 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by IATIA - July 6, 2015 at 2:17 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Longhorn - July 6, 2015 at 2:30 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 6, 2015 at 6:35 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 7:30 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Aoi Magi - July 6, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Whateverist - July 6, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 10:48 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by IATIA - July 6, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 11:30 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 6, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 6, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 6, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by downbeatplumb - July 6, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by downbeatplumb - July 6, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by downbeatplumb - July 6, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Napoléon - July 6, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Whateverist - July 6, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 2:43 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Longhorn - July 6, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Esquilax - July 6, 2015 at 9:54 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Faith No More - July 6, 2015 at 10:26 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by ignoramus - July 7, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by IATIA - July 8, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by downbeatplumb - July 6, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by emjay - July 6, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by The Grand Nudger - July 6, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 6, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Minimalist - July 6, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by paulpablo - July 6, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Whateverist - July 6, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Whateverist - July 6, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Catholic_Lady - July 6, 2015 at 12:55 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Iroscato - July 6, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Esquilax - July 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 6, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by RobbyPants - July 6, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Silver - July 7, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Cephus - July 7, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Dystopia - July 7, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Cephus - July 7, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Simon Moon - July 7, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by rado84 - July 7, 2015 at 3:25 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 7, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by rado84 - July 7, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Jackalope - July 9, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 9, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by robvalue - July 7, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by doomed - July 8, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Cephus - July 9, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Mudhammam - July 9, 2015 at 6:59 am
RE: Your perception of theists - by Angrboda - July 9, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Pyrrho - July 9, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Angrboda - July 9, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Your perception of theists - by Salacious B. Crumb - July 9, 2015 at 4:38 pm

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