RE: Drug Policy
July 12, 2015 at 10:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2015 at 10:13 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:Same argument can be made for gambling but that's still legal. Bottom line is the reason for legalisation isn't anything to do with how addicting something is. It's about personal choice. That's something you're not really paying attention to.Hmmm so? Why should I respect or even allow people's personal choices? Am I supposed to allow any personal choice, specially when it requires my tax money? And how does gambling relate? Playing cards, or whatever game you want to play in the casino is not addicting itself, what's addicting is playing too much and putting too much effort. Now, you can say that heavy drugs used once or twice may not make you addicted, but scientifically your body will become addicted regardless of how much you try, after a short usage.
Quote:What does it even matter? How is any of this relevant in the slightest?You brought the regulation part.
Quote:You're obsessed with this notion that everyone will go for the cheaper alternative regardless of the risks and somehow using it as an argument against legalisation. I don't even know where you're going with it to be honest. Are you trying to say people wouldn't care about regulation? They wouldn't care about making the product they use safer and more reliable? That's demonstrably false. And it's not an argument against legalisation anyway.Someone addicted to heavy drugs isn't certainly concerned about safety otherwise they wouldn't be doing drugs in the first place. Damn, people just don't get the consequences of legalizing all drugs. I can start by asking the following question - If the government is providing drugs, will it be with my tax money? If so, how to deal with the fact most people don't want to pay and the high price itself? If it's a private enterprise doing it, does that mean it will be pro-profit and thus drug consumption will be marketed like beauty products and clothing shops do? How will the state acquire drugs? South America is one of the places where it's easy to produce, so will it import? Who pays the costs?
If you don't believe me, try this - Go out and when you see a junkie talk to him/her and tell that person that you have drugs to sell - You'll see how much they ask for quality If it was about rehab I'd understand but I see no reason to fund people's addictions with the government's money. There's more productive stuff to do, seriously. There's rehab clinics for those who want.
Quote:So: I didn't get addicted so nobody does.Actually it's observable empirical data that a large number of people I've met used to smoke weed with me quite frequently and we never got hooked - And most of us smoked cigarettes as well, so trust me when I tell you that weed isn't addicting. [Nicotine, on the other hand, is very addicting]
C'mon man. What am I even wasting my time responding for if this is the best reasoning you've got.
Quote:In the U.S., some years ago, a bunch of stupid assholes outlawed alcohol. What happened was that people started making it illegally, because people still wanted alcohol even though it was illegal. Well, the quality of the product was variable, with some people going blind from drinking poorly made alcohol, as well as other issues. Of course, this was all a great boon for organized crime, just as illegal drugs are today. When the U.S. made alcohol legal again, people mostly stopped buying poor quality unregulated crap and bought decently made alcohol (and by that, I mean fucking low standards, as people fucking drink Budweiser! but at least it does not cause blindness).I think the comparison with alcohol is not appropriate. Alcohol is like sex, if done with moderation you won't get hurt - Sex is an addiction for some people, but it's not unhealthy itself, just like alcohol.
I posted some questions above and I'd like to see some replies - I'm not picking on drug users or people's rights, I'm just being skeptic and it is a healthy approach to claims. I want to know how these measures of legalizing all drugs would work, who pays, who provides the service and why it would work.
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