RE: LISTEN, CHRISTIANS!
July 14, 2015 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2015 at 5:33 pm by Esquilax.)
(July 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Here's the problem with your analogy It is required that you first repent of your sins before you can benefit from the atonement, that means to turn away from sin, do a 180 and go the other direction. If the man truly repented then he is granted the holy spirit and will not beat his wife again, and since his punishment has already been served there is no need for jail time. Now if he goes back to beating his wife, then it shows that there was no repentance and until he sincerely repents he will die in his sins and be held accountable.
I don't actually care; you feel free to write your fanfiction and to pretend that it's the only possible interpretation of the canon there is if it makes you happy. My point still stands, and no amount of "I believe this, therefore you're bound to do so as well," is going to rebut that.
Are you saying you never sin, by the way? You're completely sinless, like Jesus, even though he was supposed to be unique in that respect? Because if you keep sinning even after your repentance then there's really nothing stopping the husband from beating his wife under the same pressures that cause you to sin too, while still being saved.
Quote:Sin is not an immoral act or crime that people commit, sin is UNBELIEF. Unbelief is what causes people to do immoral acts, and unbelief entered in through Adam and Eve. The bible states we are born into sin (what immoral act did a baby commit?), through no fault of our own. No different than being born with a disease.
I don't care about the nature of sin, I don't think sin is a viable concept, I think it's a trumped up charge leveled against humanity by preachers desperate to capitalize on our guilt. And if sin causes immoral acts then you're just sort of splitting hairs to avoid answering the meat of what I said.
Quote:You remember that scripture about "in the beginning was the Word and that Word was God and the Word was with god And the Word was made flesh" ect.?
God IS his Word... If God can't change neither can his word, because he IS the word. If God does change his mind, then that means he's not infinite, because he figured out a better way to achieve something when he should of had it perfect from the beginning. God decreed that the wages of sin was death, that decree can never change, But what God CAN do is pay the penalty himself.
"That's just the way it is," is not a compelling argument.
It's also not even a good statement, because you're proposing that there was absolutely no better way to run things than this one, and that's just garbage. I mean, it's toilets all the way down; I can think up a better system just off the top of my head. How about god just decree a different, better thing? It's his decree, right? Or hey, how about he abolish sin, which is within his power and consistent with his character given how much he hates sin. Once again, this is just you retrofitting the facts so that your pre-existing belief that everything in the bible is completely justified remains intact. The fact that you did so this lazily is really just the confirmation that you'll accept any shitty argument so long as it turns out you were right.
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