(July 15, 2015 at 12:00 am)Randy Carson Wrote:(emphasis is mine)(July 14, 2015 at 9:46 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Groan. <facepalm> smh Pathetic. But ok, let's have some more fun.
Here's one for you, Randy . . . let's see your interpretation of this verse: Luke 9, verse 27 (Jesus, speaking to the 12 and others after the loaves and fishes shindig)
"But I say to you truthfully, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”
This verse, as you well know, follows verse 26 which describes "the Son of Man returning in the glory of God", so we're not
talking about Judean historical events 33 - 70 c.e. People listening were going to be alive at the second coming. So someonewalking this earth is over 2000 years old now. And still waiting.
This is a somewhat common misinterpretation, so let's take a closer look. Here is the passage in context:
Quote:20 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “God’s Messiah.”
21 Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. 22 And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”
23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? 26 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
27 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
Luke has pulled together a number of related thoughts in this passage. In vv. 20-21, Jesus asks the disciples who they think that he is. Peter answers, "God's Messiah", and Jesus warns them not tell anyone. In v. 22, he goes on to predict his own death and describes the cost of discipleship in vv. 23-26.
THEN, in v. 27 Jesus tells the disciples that some of them will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God. But does the "kingdom of God" refer back to the previous verses? No. Jesus is referring to the birth of the Church in general (which occurred on Pentecost) as well as the destruction of Jerusalem in particular. The downfall of the city (AD 70) will mark a turning point in salvation history that signals the end of the Old Covenant kingdom and the establishment of the New Covenant.
Hope this helps.
Your spin is rarely helpful, except to remind us just how full of shit you are.
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