RE: LISTEN, CHRISTIANS!
July 18, 2015 at 11:19 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 11:20 pm by Bob Kelso.)
(July 18, 2015 at 9:45 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:*all text enhancements added by yours truly*(July 17, 2015 at 4:03 am)Starvald Demelain Wrote: How convincing.
Seriously though, Randy, if your Jesus was the best god could provide then he's an inept motherfucker. Has coming down and speaking for himself crossed his mind lately? I'm expecting a better answer than the whole free will shtick.
Then perhaps you don't appreciate the importance of free will.
Oh, no, I could appreciate it if the old song and dance wasn't filled with bad lyrics and shitty moves. By your belief system he certainly didn't have an issue coming down in human form now did he? Free will limitations indeed.
Quote:Are you familiar with the "Fine Tuning of the Universe" argument? The idea is that the universe has been finely tuned to support life, right?
I think there is a parallel to this which I'm calling the "Fine Tuning of the Evidence".
I'm familiar, it's a great joke. You know, how the universe is vastly lifeless yet geared for our lives. I can only imagine the parallel is equally funny.
Quote:Scripture describes God as a hidden God. This means you have to make an effort of faith to find him, and there are clues you can follow. If that weren’t so, if there was something more or less than clues, we would not be free to make a choice about Him. If we had absolute proof instead of clues, then we could no more deny God than we could deny the sun. If we had no evidence at all, you could never get to faith. God gives us just enough evidence so that those who want Him can have while those that don’t want Him are not forced to do so. Those who want to follow the clues will.
Don't you think, that given the supposed stakes, that a grand game of hide and seek is a bit of a "fuck you" to humanity?
I noticed the convenient conflation of acceptance of existence and the acceptance of your religion. As it's been mentioned before, proof that a god exists doesn't mean that people will worship it. I know that Kim Jong-il exists, but I wouldn't worship the despot.
Also, before I forget;
You have no evidence. You have a book of claims, and men and women who sell them. That's it thus far, Randy.
Quote:The Bible says, Seek and ye shall find.” It does not say that everybody will find Him; it doesn’t say that nobody will find him. Some will find him. Who? Those who seek. Those whose hearts are set on finding Him and who follow the clues.
Are you implying that there are no people outside of your faith who earnestly sought (or actually believed at one time) and found nothing?
Quote:The evidence that God has established has been finely tuned to allow you to find it without overwhelming your free will and coercion.
The evidence that the Dancing, Wish Granting, Vampire God named Slav has established has been finely tuned to allow you to find it without overwhelming your free will and coercion. Don the tap shoes and the false teeth already, Randy, and you can have all your wishes granted.