Not Using "Agnostic" Anymore

[naimless]

Yes but it is impossible. You never know how many definitions of words another person knows. For example, there is the assumption I understand what you understand "should" means. Then the intonation of the phrase is another issue. My reply, right now, is probably not teaching you anything new. It's just attempting to find common ground and reinforce similar definitions. But you knew that, too, and so on...

In any real debate, definitions should be agreed upon, whether it happens at the very beginning, or as the convo goes. Ideally, this should happen beforehand.

We don't live in an ideal world. Ideal, perfection, logic, rational, objective... these are generally words assigned by humans that we give to things that aren't human. We are imperfect. True love between humans is accepting the imperfections of each-other. It's unconditional, and quite frankly, it doesn't make sense.

I understand what you are saying. But I also understand how someone can know for sure. Think of how many things we know for sure, with regards to science, that will not be for sure in 200,000 years. You can't. In 200,000 years, is my belief of a flying spaghetti monster the truth? Genuinely calculating it, I'd currently give it a 1/2,589,300,000,000,000,000 chance. That isn't factoring in my objective chances of being right - that is just me factoring objectivity from my subjective position.

But, I didn't say anything about what we might know in the future. I was referring to evidence, or the lack of it, we have now.

Yep, but chances are someone else has their faith in the future. It's faith or drugs. You either pray shit will be better, or you distract yourself from the negative shit some other way.

I hear living in a bubble of a good job, partner and living environment also helps but I am yet to stumble upon that journey.

Only if you trust the current human perception of objective reality. We have limited senses.

Really? There are so many fallacies in this, I don't know where to begin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhUNrpX8Rx4

Apologies, my mind generally consists of Breaking Bad, and exploring space and dark matter.

Dawkins, in his 1986 book, The Blind Watchmaker:
“This book is written in the conviction that our own existence once presented the greatest of all mysteries, but that it is a mystery no longer because it is solved.”

I think that is a fallacy. 96% of this universe is unaccounted for.

I don't believe the universe is free enough for it to be their fault either though. We can agree to disagree on that if you wish.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

I mean we didn't choose the 13.7 billion years that led to who we are in this moment. I don't blame people for the cause and effect they had to go through. I don't find them particularly arrogant or insulting. At least I don't particularly care. I'm pretty tolerant about intolerance. It evolved just like everything else.