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Life as a Deist
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RE: Life as a Deist
(March 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(March 2, 2013 at 12:30 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: The fact that we have this universe and not the equally amazing/mundane blob is what gives the plausibility of there being a(n) God/Creator/Architect. This is the universe that holds the beauty and intricate inner-workings of what a hypothetical all-powerful, all-knowing being would produce.

That's the bias I'm referring to. The assumption that a hypothetical all-powerful, all-knowing being would produce this universe and none other.

And then on the other side of the coin we have the assumption that there is no god. It is what it is!

Quote:That's not instinct - that's misapplication of what you've been taught. What you've been taught is to distinguish between natural and artificial design. You don't assume that when you a distinct snowflake pattern or markings of a tropical fish that some guy must have engineered or painted that - you accept that natural laws led to the emergence of that pattern and go on study those natural laws. When you see something that doesn't occur in nature you presume a human mind at work. This understanding comes from distinguishing between different categories by comparing them to each-other. When it comes to the universe itself, there is nothing else to compare it to. So assuming that it looks "thought out" simply has no basis.

It looks thought out because of how everything works in unison based on fundamental laws set in place from the very beginning.


Quote:Your bias is not regarding the existence of god, but regarding the special status of human beings as the purpose of universe.

Hmm? No idea where you got this from:

FtR Wrote:I'm not saying that life is in anyway proof of a Creator/God.


Quote:Here's the concept that you should correct. The term "coming from human mind" does not mean that the result could be whatever the person wants it to be or that whatever it pertains to did not exist before. The universe exists and it works in a certain way. It is not governed by specific principles or ideas or concepts. Simply put, it is what it is. Science, philosophy and mathematics are all concepts, ideas or principles that necessarily come from a conscious mind. They form a body of ideas describing how the universe works, but they do not dictate it. The existence of the entity is not dependent upon its description. The natural world has existed along with its mode of operation before we did - but science is the inquiry and understanding of it and therefore came into existence afterwards.

I'm not too sure about one of your fundamental propositions here:

"[The universe] is not governed by specific principles or ideas or concepts. Simply put, it is what it is."

Science is like a flashlight that lights up a room and shows us e.g. the furniture that was already there. I think it's obvious that the universe is governed by laws, whether we give it a label or not. Science has simply shown us those "principles, ideas & concepts" much like the flashlight shows us what was already in that room. So in essence, I agree that the "mode of enquiry" obviously started with us -- the conscious beings -- but what's contained within the findings of this enquiry has always existed i.e. the laws of the universe, which is the point I was first making. They are the things independent of us that are elegant and intricate.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Messages In This Thread
Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - February 28, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Chas - February 28, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - February 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - February 28, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - March 1, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Baalzebutt - February 28, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Norfolk And Chance - February 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Whateverist - February 28, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - February 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Baalzebutt - February 28, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Baalzebutt - February 28, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Chas - February 28, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Chas - February 28, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Ryantology - March 1, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Whateverist - March 1, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Norfolk And Chance - March 2, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Question Mark - March 1, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - March 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - February 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Baalzebutt - February 28, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - February 28, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - February 28, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 1, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - March 2, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - March 1, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Cinjin - March 1, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Whateverist - March 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 1:40 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:47 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Cinjin - March 2, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by Angrboda - March 2, 2013 at 12:09 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - March 2, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 3, 2013 at 12:26 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by xXUKAtheistForTheTruthXx - March 4, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by Neo-Scholastic - March 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by genkaus - March 5, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Life as a Deist - by FallentoReason - March 5, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - March 4, 2013 at 6:41 am
RE: Life as a Deist - by EGross - March 6, 2013 at 3:01 am

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