RE: Pre-Uthman Quran Found in England
July 23, 2015 at 3:25 pm
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm by Rayaan.)
(July 23, 2015 at 11:13 am)Minimalist Wrote: See, here's your problem with that. In order for your story to be true there would really have to be an "angel" who found a merchant sleeping in a cave and who then imparted what eventually came to be the koran after Mo repeated it to people who were actually literate - in whatever language existed at the time - who then wrote it down.
To that, I ascribe a probability of less than 0.00000000000000000001. Which is roughly the same level of probability which I ascribe to the Joey Smith story with his "angel" and which I imagine you think is preposterous? BTW, so you don't feel picked on, I give roughly the same probabilities to jesus, moses, and Romulus and Remus, etc.
I wasn't trying to convince you about any sort of angels or miracles, and you know that.
My initial comments to you were a reply to your post about Luxenberg's argument that the Quran was written in a mixed Arabic-Syriac language.
Here it is, once again:
(July 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Rayaan Wrote: It probably escaped you that almost all languages have borrowed words from previous languages and then those words became incorporated into the new language - with the addition of some lexical re-arrangements.
For example, you know that the word "alcohol" is obviously an English word. But the word also has an Arabic origin, which comes from the root word al-kuhl, a powder used as an eyeliner. So, in the same way, certain words in the Quran may have a Syro-Aramaic origin, but that doesn't mean that the words themselves are not Arabic. If you still really believe Luxenberg's argument that the Quran was not written in pure Arabic but rather in a "mixed Arabic-Syriac language," then you also have to agree that Darwins On the Origin of Species was written not in English but in a mixed English-Greek-Latin-French-etc. language.
Muslim and Western scholars are already aware that many of the words in the Quran are variations of words that are originally found in the Syriac and Aramaic languages. These words already became a part of the Arabic dictionary during that time, and again, this is a well-known phenomenon that has occurred even in the English language as it gradually evolved over the course of time, along with many other languages. It has always been like that.
Then not surprisingly, you dodged all those points by simply asking "Are you trying to convince me, Luxenberg or yourself." That already gave me the impression that you were unable to counter them with a sound refutation.
And yet again, a page later, you brought up something else in order to evade those points. And that further convinced me that you can't refute those points.