The Problem with Christians

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Oh, could you not act like a fucking moron for once? Kitan's statements were about christians, they said nothing at all about atheists. You don't just get to leap to some imaginary contra-positive that was never even alluded to just because it's the only snag you can find that'll make you correct; you don't get to make shit up and then pin it on someone else.

THAT'S MY FREAKING POINT.

One group criticizing another group for a certain behavior, when it can be proven that their group exhibits the same behavior is called hypocrisy.

They aren't remotely the same thing. Atheists aren't a group, numbnuts. They are individual people who happen to share a single conclusion. They're no more a group than "people who like the color blue," are a group. What you're doing here is base equivocation.

Moreover, and this would be some of that nuance stuff that you have real trouble with where it contradicts what you want to believe, making illogical arguments in general is not a bad thing. It's part of the human condition, and there's no shame in it at all, so long as you can identify and correct the error. The problem with christians- which is fully present in Kitan's OP- is that they never identify that error, which in this case is the root beliefs of their religion. Instead, they ignore the basics of logic in favor of making arguments to get to a preconceived conclusion, rather than using logic to reach whatever conclusion is best. The problem is the exclusive lack of logic that theism demands, were one to attempt to argue for theism.

That is in there, you know. You'd just have to be reading the post without the presupposition that it needs to be wrong, and this weird, neurotic drive you have to twist everything to fit that presupposition.