(August 22, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote:(August 21, 2017 at 11:07 pm)shadow Wrote: A) Gender is a societally constructed concept. The gender roles we take are artificial constraints, and we should not limit people by them.
B) Transgender people were born in the wrong one and have every right to change genders.Quote:A states that gender characteristics are not innate, while B implies that they are.
No, b doesn't. There's no point in correcting you anywhere else, a correction here suffices, agreed? B simply accepts that such constructs exist - it does not state that they are innate or opine upon the virtue of such constructs in and of themselves.
I'm talking more about one's ideals. If someone thinks that there should be no difference between how we treat men and women, it is at the very least logically inconsistent for them to think that it should matter whether you are one or the other. I could see it as a means to deal with the fact that the world isn't yet what one might desire it to be, but it is still contradictory reasoning in that case.
To provide an analogy: it's like if I thought religions are all BS, but decided to convert from being a Muslim to a Christian. Why not just be an atheist, or distance myself from religion as much as possible if my society doesn't allow me to completely leave it? Why emphasize the change?
Quote:I do have to ask, though, what makes this "the liberal view"? It's the sociological view, the psychological view, it's an ethicists view........what makes it "the liberal view"?
Just my experience. I absolutely agree it's not like all liberals will think this or that they are the only ones, just that there are many liberal people who hold this view, who I would otherwise agree with on many issues.
