(April 24, 2018 at 1:03 am)robvalue Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 8:33 pm)robvalue Wrote: @Atlas: So you don't believe humans are intelligently designed then?
How can life be "a test", if there was no intelligence to set up the test? Or do you just mean that metaphorically, such as a hole in the road being a "test" to see who will fall into it?
Just gonna bump this question in case you missed it. I'm very interested in how this works.
I did miss it.
But I do believe humans are intelligently designed. I said it here:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-54335-p...pid1737675
Quote:AtlasS33 said:
That's my opinion goes to say that he is a fact of this universe, if you think about him as a hollow force that shaped everything including the word "create" itself; you will see the scale I mean. We did discover that there is a point in the void where everything began from; that's a scientific theory that is quite respected and even favored sometimes. God is the force that started everything from that void; he even started the void itself.
That "everything" involves the intelligent design; also.
Regarding your comment though; I think life, this scenario we have -of life,death and judgement day then heaven or hell- is the best scenario possible and the most perfect, basing my belief on this verse from the Quran:
Quote:Sura 35,The Quran:
( 41 ) Indeed, Allah holds the heavens and the earth, lest they cease. And if they should cease, no one could hold them [in place] after Him. Indeed, He is Forbearing and Forgiving.
The universe would cease if other "scenarios" were to replace this one; so no, holes do not exist, it's always a predetermined fate, God never lost control.
Fate -as I see it- is based on our actions, but our actions are created by God.
The complicated reason is mentioned here in the Quran:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
( 78 ) Wherever you may be, death will overtake you, even if you should be within towers of lofty construction. But if good comes to them, they say, "This is from Allah "; and if evil befalls them, they say, "This is from you." Say, "All [things] are from Allah." So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?
( 79 ) What comes to you of good is from Allah, but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.
So; no holes. It's all predetermined.
