(January 18, 2022 at 9:55 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(January 18, 2022 at 9:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I wonder...the proposition "Out of nothing, nothing comes," seems self-evident and serves as a foundation level defeater in ontology. That would seem to have some bearing on whether it is real or natural. And what's natural about numbers? According to some, numbers, like all mathematical objects, are artifices that sometimes inexplicably align consistently with observed phenomena. Such as those would by definition not be natural, but artificial.
What's the alternative? That the laws of nature not be describable by some mathematical models? The term for such a world would be "magic".
As for "nothing" no one has, to my satisfaction, ever provided any physical description of that. To use "nothing" in a sentence is to give it meaning, if only as an abstraction. One might as well ask what color Saturday is.
Well...it seems to me that nothingness literally means an absence of physicality.
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