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Why ontological arguments are illogical
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RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical
(August 3, 2012 at 4:44 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(August 3, 2012 at 8:52 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Well, moral goodness is a type of goodness, and moral perfection would be a kind of perfection (under the moral theory that these arguments are typically made under).

Immoral perfection (perfect immorality) is a 'kind of perfection' as well. So if your imagined god is required to have every kind of perfection, then he should be perfectly moral and immoral at the same time.

I'm afraid this is no obstacle to Clive's argument. The God of the old testament demonstrates perfect evil time and time again. Gentle Jesus can play good cop to God the father's bad cop thus providing moral perfection of every stripe.
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Why ontological arguments are illogical - by liam - August 2, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 2, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by liam - August 2, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 2, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Rev. Rye - August 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Cato - August 2, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by liam - August 2, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 3, 2012 at 5:18 am
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 3, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Whateverist - August 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 7, 2012 at 4:24 am
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 7, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Tempus - August 2, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Tempus - August 3, 2012 at 3:50 am
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by padraic - August 3, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 9, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 9, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 9, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Reforged - August 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by genkaus - August 9, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by pgrimes15 - August 14, 2012 at 6:14 am
RE: Why ontological arguments are illogical - by Angrboda - August 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm

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