RE: So...guess I'm the new guy
September 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm by Reforged.)
(September 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:(September 1, 2012 at 3:30 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: I asked for examples and evidence of your statement. Instead you accuse me of saying all intellectual pursuits are scientific which to anyone who can read it is obvious I did not.
Then you insult me because... why exactly? Because I don't agree science makes metaphysical assumptions? Thats your claim we're talking about here. Not if science refines its research methods or whether it depends on mathematics or logical propositions. It has very little to do with what you claimed and I haven't even raised those points.
No, what I have contested is that science makes metaphysical assumptions and I will not have you sidetracking that query. That is what you stated and you have yet to prove that statement true.
If you are not capable of doing so and must continue utilizing Bill O'Reilly tactics that rely on mud slinging then don't even bother replying. I'm far too used to that kind of intellectual cowardice from outspoken theists and to be honest it bores me.
OH.
MY.
DAWKINS.
I have put down in front of you, a platter. I literally spoon-feed you, point-by-point, the fact that science relies on an assumption that is scientifically unprovable. I provide a real-life example of such an assumption: The reliance on mathematical propositions. You can see, with your own eyes, that if you take science to be the only source of truth, and physicalism as the reigning paradigm within which to see the world, you CANNOT account for the very mathematical calculations you use to do science.
Thus, science is BY DEFINITION incomplete as a source of truth.
I literally cannot dumb this down any further. You have successfully bested me with your irrationality. Congrats.
Sure you can, just be yourself.
I'm sure you're just being modest. You seem as if you could single handedly dumb down the entire world.
I'm pretty certain the intellectual value of this forum drops everytime you add a post to it.
None of that qualifies as "metaphysical". Mathematics is a proven system of logic that makes no claim of a world beyond this one. It produces results and is applicable to the real world. You've presented evidence for another arguement entirely. Maybe focus on the query I put forward instead of the one you wish I had? Just a thought.
One last time, with feeling; Where are these metaphysical assumptions? Provide examples of at least one.
By the way, you shouldn't feel ashamed. Premature balding isn't that rare.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
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