RE: My dumbass parents doubt evolution
November 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 18, 2012 at 7:00 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:Then your example had nothing to do with a rock or a lever. Try to rework it where you're proof of this mysetrious force is your equally mysterious "decision".(November 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ... A rock could fall on your lever and lift a rock...
A rock doesnt decide to fall.
Thats the difference.
On the other hand, the decision to believe in a mysterious force because you are capable of deciding is hardly noteworthy......
Quote:The rock is predictably going to obey the force called gravity.You and the rock are entirely identical with regards to natural laws like gravity. Tell me Lion, whens the last time you didn't "predictably obey" a natural law? I'd really be interested in a demonstration of that.
Quote:Now, if I decide to walk over and pick UP the rock lifting it in exactly the OPPOSITE direction then there must be a (different) force acting on that rock which is opposite to gravity.You mean a kinetic kind of force? High-school physics, go get some.
Quote:Furthermore, the force lifting the rock (me) acts unpredictably both in magnitude, direction and timing - unlike the force called gravity which by definition is constant.No it doesn't. I can predict that you are unable to lift a rock any further than the length of the lever, and are incapable of throwing a rock of any size further than a short distance. I can also predict the direction the rock will go by reference to the lever, even if the only lever involved is your arm. I can predict when you will do this y reference to whether or not you are present at any given time. Similarly, I can predict whether or not -you are even capable of doing either- by reference to another fun little "mysterious force". Your ability to do any of these things is similarly constant, so long as you remain a human being, and so long as levers remain levers.
Now that I'm done humoring you hammering on about rocks. Monkeys "decide". In fact, a whole hell of alot of things seem to be making decisions. Do they also have souls? Or is this "deciding" bullshit yet another fork in the road you hope will lead to your favorite conclusion, like rocks and levers?
(November 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: The computer controlled robot would be analogous to the lever in the rock/lever/fulcrum graphic shown earlier.Why?
Quote:In my opinion artificial intelligence will always be just that - artificial.Your opinions are irrelevant, your evidence is the effect. Anything capable of achieving the effect, by this line of reasoning, would possess a soul. Chimps, Rocks, Fungus,Robots, ..what have you. Why should I have to mention any of this.. clearly the reasons you offered aren't the reasons for your conclusion. I'd rather hear those.
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