RE: Proving God Existence
June 9, 2013 at 4:27 am
(This post was last modified: June 9, 2013 at 4:38 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(June 5, 2013 at 11:56 am)pocaracas Wrote: Don't forget the awesome opportunity to have multiple gods, each with it's own pet universe...All these options are refuted in the proof
Or multiple gods, each with lots of pet universes.
Non-overlapping universes.... overlapping universes... this could become fun...
Think of it as children playing:
- You can have one playing with LEGO (one god, one universe)
- One kid playing with transformers and hot wheels (one god, two universes)
- multiple kids playing with LEGOs, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Transformers, Hot Wheels, and a few girls with their barbies and other baby dolls. Each kid in their corner with their toy.
- Or the same as above, but all kids playing together in an awesome toy brawl! Or just a few groups of kids playing together, while other kids play by themselves.
Ah... the possibilities are virtually limitless... and we, as a member of this particular universe, are unable to determine which is the real situation.... if any. We can't measure anything beyond our universe, last I checked...
The only possible option (which I cannot prove) is to have one supreme God with some others below him but in this case they will be created by him,i.e. the only possible option is to have one (not created) God
(June 5, 2013 at 11:43 am)little_monkey Wrote: I became an atheist way before the internet. When I was studying in university, computers were the size of a three block apartment house. I used punched cards to write my programs on.Yet, you believe that all the Universe programs were created by "NOTHING"
(June 5, 2013 at 11:31 am)little_monkey Wrote: That's the reason why I don't believe in the existence of any god, as there are no convincing argument that compels me to believe in one.Now there is a solid proof, which is far better than an argument.
(June 5, 2013 at 9:43 am)little_monkey Wrote:What do you mean by time here?(June 5, 2013 at 1:50 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: God will not exist inside time at the first event because time itself doesn't exist.If God exists before the universe was created, then time also exists for him. You can't separate time from existence. The moment you postulate the existence of anything, be it God or the universe, then time is automatically implied.
According to my definition (a sequence of events) then before the first event, God exists but no time as not event occurred yet.
(June 5, 2013 at 10:13 am)paulpablo Wrote: Ok so is god within time right now?According to the definition time only exists when events (more than one) exists, so if God's actions happens they must happen in time (except for the first event)
If he isn't then how are his actions within time?
But to say that God himself is inside time, this will imply that some events happens within himself (i.e. for us it is our heart beating or blood flow or signals in our nerves)
For God this will be impossible as it require a first event as well (i.e. created) which is impossible.
God is on entity and not constructed from different parts working together.
Quote:Also why could there not be two Gods existing separate from the universe and time?I already answered that
If multiple Gods exists, even if they don't know anything about each other and no interactions between them
Only one God must start the first event and create the others, so the other is not a God.