Chairity wont allow atheist to help.

[John V]

And are you just hell-bent on painting the atheist group as being as big of bigoted assholes like the woman running the soup kitchen? Is it "two wrongs make a right" day? I really doubt that any atheist or humanist group would turn down help from religious groups unless those religious groups were intent upon preaching instead of actually helping.

And how would you determine their intent?

If they asked if they could wear t-shirts that say Jesus Saves to your event, would you be suspicious that their intent was preaching?

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Your assumption is that "open to atheists," is the same as "christians aren't allowed." Which it isn't. At all.

Here's what it says:

This is not only a great group for giving back to the community, but it also makes it easier for like-minded people to meet and socialize. This group is open to all atheists, agnostics, humanists, etc.

Do you seriously take that as meaning Christians are welcome?

Right, so you found direct evidence contradicting your position, yet you refuse to abandon your original claim. Standard christian operating procedure, then.

Again, it seems like a CYA measure to me.

The point isn't who started it, but what was done with the attention the story afforded. I thought that was pretty clear in the... exclusive focus I gave to the differences between the two group's approaches. But then... yeah, equivocator.

I disagree. Who started it is indeed a valid point. The atheists - and you - are trying to publicly make a really good charity look bad. If you think helping people is more important than differences in belief, you wouldn't do so. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if the negative publicity actually raised donations for the soup kitchen.)

And what part of "oh, we'll remove any mention of our group when we work there, so is that okay?" shows that the message was a part of their motivation?

They've already given a clue to their motivation.

It's entirely understandable that they'd want to wear a marker of their group initially, you wouldn't slight a christian group for the same thing, but they sacrificed that immediately just so long as they got to help out anyway... and surprise surprise, John manages to accuse them of exactly the opposite of what that action implies.

Actually, yes, I would slight a Christian group for the same thing, and suggest that they should start their own soup kitchen.

Again, I'm not starting a dick measuring contest.

As you would lose. This place is serving 500 meals a day. If you really thought that helping people was what's important, you'd applaud them, and overlook this issue. However, it's apparent that petty beliefs are more important to you, despite your claim to the contrary.

But you got on the atheist's back because they'd dared to get some media attention out of it, so I pointed out that that attention was solely directed toward gaining more help for the cause.

Why are you so desperate to find some non-charitable motivation out of this, but only from the people that aren't on your side?

Funny that others bring the issue up, but they're not "desperate." I respond, and I'm "desperate."