I put this in the religion forums because this guy is trying to argue with me that morals and rights come from god, because if they dont come from outside man then everything is relative and we can justify nazi-ism. Yeah. The funny thing is he is not being an ass about it, usually I give up arguing with people like that because I wind up offended or just pissed off and its not worth it but this guy is actually bright. I refuse to concede this argument because hes just saying the same things over and over again, repeating them as if I must not have understood what he was saying because I dont agree with him. I've taken philosophy and ethics, so I know every argument and he's just rephrasing the classics back at me. What should I say back to him? You guys are great at debating. Basically he started off saying where do rights come from, and i responded the govt (because you know, as george carlin said, if rights came from 'god' we'd all have the same rights and we dont. what rights we should have and what rights we do have are two totally different things. you might have a right to food everyday, but if you are hungry it doesnt really matter does it? Also, this guy tells me morals are absolute and then in the same paragraph that killing and murder are two different things. Absolutists tend to think deontologically, that the action itself is immoral and the consequences are irrelevant to whether an action is immoral... seems to me, you cant have it both ways, cant say morals are absolute and then tell me killing and murder are different (even though they are the exact same action, with the exact same end). Doesnt it say in the bible, thou shall not kill? pretty sure it doesnt say "thou shall not murder")... anyways, thoughts?
(this was the last thing he said to me). I think there is a marked difference between murder and killing. Murder is killing but killing isn't always murder. Murder is premeditated killing motivated by selfishness revenge, spite etc. If someone breaks into your home and, in the ensuing struggle is killed, i do not think that to be murder
Would be interested to hear what your basis is for thinking why morality is a human invention (yet that somehow makes Nazi Germany absolute in their wrong)? No offense intended at all, but simply feeling differently is perhaps not intellectually honest enough, no?
(this was the last thing he said to me). I think there is a marked difference between murder and killing. Murder is killing but killing isn't always murder. Murder is premeditated killing motivated by selfishness revenge, spite etc. If someone breaks into your home and, in the ensuing struggle is killed, i do not think that to be murder
Would be interested to hear what your basis is for thinking why morality is a human invention (yet that somehow makes Nazi Germany absolute in their wrong)? No offense intended at all, but simply feeling differently is perhaps not intellectually honest enough, no?
Cher
"I have no advice for anybody; except to, you know, be awake enough to see where you are at any given time, and how that is beautiful, and has poetry inside. Even places you hate" -Jeff Buckley
"I have no advice for anybody; except to, you know, be awake enough to see where you are at any given time, and how that is beautiful, and has poetry inside. Even places you hate" -Jeff Buckley
