RE: Morals
December 1, 2009 at 2:04 am
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2009 at 2:23 am by theVOID.)
Ecolox is back 
I was just saying yesterday i was hoping you'd turn up
Yep he did, that's what happens when you live in a nation with a history of idols, the German sheep couldn't remember a time without a shepherd, from God to Bismark to Kaiser Wilhelm to Hitler, they are culturally a people who loved to be lead, they were soldiers, not thinkers, only following orders, never giving them. That was the problem with early 20th century Germany, between their heavy Roman Catholic faith (over 80% of germans between 1900-1950 were catholics) and their egocentric philosophies all you had to do was tell them they were special, in Gods eyes or the Fuhrers, they would fall for it head first, especially when it was from God and the Fuhrer.
For the record (the historical record as a matter of fact) Hitler was a fairly obedient catholic:
The Nazi Parties "Programme" (Code of ethics)
"We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest." - Adolf Hitler.
The truth of the matter is Hitler saw the Jews as a materialistic, atheist like culture and hated them in part for that aspect.
SS officers has the insignia on their belts "In the spirit of God we stand"
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited".
-Adolf Hitler, 05/22/1922
"The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument".
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan. 1939
Now, before any of you Christians respond to this let me be very clear that i do not think Christianity was responsible for Hitlers actions in any way, he was a sick fuck, end of story. Wouldn't have mattered if he had faith or not, a bad egg is a bad egg. Good people will be good regardless of their beliefs as will evil be evil regardless.
I was just saying yesterday i was hoping you'd turn up
(December 1, 2009 at 1:50 am)ecolox Wrote:Quote:Also true that if we make up morals, we can justify genocide. The thing is, we don't make up morals at all. Morality as far as we know is a cumulative reasoning exercise that whole societies develop.
Hitler led Germany, what was a civil society, into being a genocide machine in no time. The idea that society is safe, gradually improving, and stable (from genocide, etc) because morals are a "cumulative reasoning exercise" is delusional.
Yep he did, that's what happens when you live in a nation with a history of idols, the German sheep couldn't remember a time without a shepherd, from God to Bismark to Kaiser Wilhelm to Hitler, they are culturally a people who loved to be lead, they were soldiers, not thinkers, only following orders, never giving them. That was the problem with early 20th century Germany, between their heavy Roman Catholic faith (over 80% of germans between 1900-1950 were catholics) and their egocentric philosophies all you had to do was tell them they were special, in Gods eyes or the Fuhrers, they would fall for it head first, especially when it was from God and the Fuhrer.
For the record (the historical record as a matter of fact) Hitler was a fairly obedient catholic:
The Nazi Parties "Programme" (Code of ethics)
"We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest." - Adolf Hitler.
The truth of the matter is Hitler saw the Jews as a materialistic, atheist like culture and hated them in part for that aspect.
SS officers has the insignia on their belts "In the spirit of God we stand"
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited".
-Adolf Hitler, 05/22/1922
"The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument".
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan. 1939
Now, before any of you Christians respond to this let me be very clear that i do not think Christianity was responsible for Hitlers actions in any way, he was a sick fuck, end of story. Wouldn't have mattered if he had faith or not, a bad egg is a bad egg. Good people will be good regardless of their beliefs as will evil be evil regardless.
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