RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
February 13, 2014 at 7:44 am
(February 13, 2014 at 6:59 am)Tonus Wrote: I am pointing out that crippling our freedom with "sin" is a bad deal.
The only way to remove it would be to remove freedom of will.
Quote: You keep pretending that I am saying that freedom is bad. I am pointing out that crippling freedom with "sin" and with a plan that punishes the full use of freedom is bad. You keep pretending that I am saying that freedom is bad.
The whole entire idea is that God doesn't punish you for your sin, it doesn't matter how big a sin we're talking about. The offer is 100% forgiveness guaranteed.
Quote:We could have done this without being made sinful by nature, if god wasn't so bad at his job and too proud to recognize it.
The only way to do that is to remove our freewill.
Quote:This can only be true if god is incompetent. If he cannot envision a scenario where freedom to choose does not require us to be forced to commit sin, he is inept. The fact that "his creation" can see the alternatives that he could not is strong evidence that he is made up.
You have freewill, you have sin as a consequence and you have forgiveness from sin.
Quote:You said that without sin, god's plan would be irrelevant, and that we cannot help but to sin. That is not freedom. The choice is forced, by design.
If we had no freewill to decide between good and evil and nothing particularly good or worthwhile to do then it would be an irrelevance.
Quote:That is a truly horrifying "plan," and I think that the only reason you accept it as "good" is because you have to, otherwise you are forced to undermine what you believe in. Your god is painfully limited. He cannot seem to create a world where people can live freely without constantly offending his sensibilities, a flaw that he blames on us and then offers to remove for a price (or make even worse if we refuse to pay!). The concept is just bizarre, and if you didn't have to try to make sense of the ignorant ramblings of an ancient tribe of simple people, you might just realize that.
Ok so you're not really listening to a single word of any of it fair enough.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
