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Muslim Atheism
RE: Muslim Atheism
Logical Premises for No Religion

People can be Muslim without faith


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People can be Muslim even if they disbelieve in Allah, hell, paradise, angels or any myth and religious superstition etc. The following is the minimum requirement of a Muslim.
  • The bedouins say, “We have believed.”
    Say, “You have not believed;
    but say, ‘We have submitted,’
    for faith has not yet entered your hearts.
    And if you obey Allah and His Messenger
    He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything.
    Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
    49.14-15
First Premise
  • When Allah says “You have not believed”
    It means, “You have not believed” (ie. '0' faith in Allah)
    It does not means, “You have believed”
This fact is very clear and no one can change its meaning. However, someone may insist they are the Believers; like those bedouins, but it is not according to Allah.
  • The believers are only the ones who have believed in Allah and His Messenger and then doubt not but strive with their properties and their lives in the cause of Allah . It is those who are the truthful. (49.15)

    The believers are only those who, when Allah is mentioned, their hearts become fearful, and when His verses are recited to them, it increases them in faith; and upon their Lord they rely. (8.2)
Therefore, it doesn't matter if people disbelieve in Allah. It is irrelevant and carries no weight for the determination of a Muslim. What really matters people obey the practical rules from the Quran, ie. the commands from the entirely clear verses from the Quran.

. . .
Second Premise
  • When Allah says “You have not believed”
    and then, ‘We have submitted’
It means, there is a distinction between Faith and Obedience, between Believer and Muslim. These two do not mean the same and human being only accountable for obedience. Faith is within Allah prerogative, and an obedience is human accountability. There is no blame for what is beyond human's control.
  • Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. (2.286)
My understanding the system is a Trade System. Human beings sells obedience (Muslim) and Allah pay them with faith (Believer). Faith must be earned and the more they sell, the more faith they have.
  • O you who have believed, shall I guide you to a transaction that will save you from a painful punishment? [It is that] you believe in Allah and His Messenger (the Quran) and strive in the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives (skills). That is best for you, if you should know. (61:10-11)
. . .
Third Premise
  • When Allah says “And if you obey Allah and His Messenger.
    He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything”
    and then “Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful”
It means, people may enter Paradise even if they disbelieve in Allah, ie. '0' faith in Allah. It can be wrong, but Allah said “Allah is Forgiving and Merciful”. Allah does not forget and shall forgive anything from “lack of faith”. Muslim shall only concern with practical aspect of life”, ie. Deen of Islam.

The system is justified and reasonable.


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Awliya
(10:62-64)
Freedom

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Believer
(with faith)
(49:15) (8:2)
Benefiting humanity

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Muslim
(with or without faith)
Peacemaker

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Living Justly Balanced
An upright man

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|<---------------------+ Islam +--------------------->|
Peacemaking
Islam is a contract to live as one nation in peace (2:27)

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Enemy to Social Unity
Corrupters

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Munafiqoon
Hypocrites
Commit evil silently

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Mushrikeen
Idolaters
Commit evil openly

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True Disbelievers
Criminals / Oppressors
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Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 29, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - July 29, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mystical - July 29, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Polaris - July 29, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Broseph Ballin - July 29, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - July 29, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Cato - July 29, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by bennyboy - July 29, 2014 at 11:18 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2014 at 11:21 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Rayaan - July 29, 2014 at 11:44 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 5:17 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 8:00 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Esquilax - July 30, 2014 at 8:20 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 8:52 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Rayaan - July 30, 2014 at 7:05 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 7:47 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 8:31 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 8:42 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - July 31, 2014 at 5:05 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 6:30 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 9:59 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 10:01 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 31, 2014 at 7:39 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 31, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by JesusHChrist - July 30, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 11:04 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 30, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by JesusHChrist - July 30, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Bibliofagus - July 30, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mister Agenda - July 30, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Brian37 - July 30, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - July 30, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 30, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - July 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 8:37 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - July 30, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 30, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 3:39 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 5:06 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by jesus_wept - July 31, 2014 at 5:21 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Lemonvariable72 - July 31, 2014 at 5:27 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 6:46 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 7:16 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 7:17 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 7:18 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 8:35 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 31, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 5:53 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 6:04 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 1, 2014 at 7:44 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 9:06 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - July 31, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - July 31, 2014 at 9:20 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by bennyboy - July 31, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Brian37 - August 1, 2014 at 8:57 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - July 31, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 6:15 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Cato - August 1, 2014 at 6:40 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - August 1, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 1, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 1, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - August 1, 2014 at 3:40 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 1, 2014 at 5:13 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mystical - August 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 2, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by vodkafan - August 2, 2014 at 8:08 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 2, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 2, 2014 at 5:59 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by bennyboy - August 2, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 2, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Baqal - August 3, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 3, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 3, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 3, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 3, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 3, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Esquilax - August 3, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 3, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Muslim Atheism - August 3, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 3, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 3, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - August 3, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 3, 2014 at 8:45 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mystical - August 3, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - August 3, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mystical - August 3, 2014 at 10:59 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - August 5, 2014 at 2:27 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 5, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Violet - August 5, 2014 at 8:25 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - August 6, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2014 at 4:29 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Violet - August 6, 2014 at 12:41 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 3, 2014 at 11:06 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 4, 2014 at 5:17 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by FatAndFaithless - August 4, 2014 at 8:15 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Brian37 - August 5, 2014 at 8:20 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 5, 2014 at 1:31 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Mystical - August 6, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Violet - August 6, 2014 at 3:59 am
RE: Muslim Atheism - by LastPoet - August 6, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Violet - August 6, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Zidneya - August 6, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Muslim Atheism - by Losty - August 6, 2014 at 5:34 pm

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