RE: Dr. Doug Graham (80-10-10 raw vegan)
November 3, 2014 at 12:33 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 12:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
As an addendum-
Lets consider that question in what is otherwise the context of livestock production. You need to kill that man. In that context I would defintely allow that the manner in which you do so has relevance to whether or not I would regard your actions as humane.
If you swiftly hit them over the head with a brick so hard that they were dead -tutsweet- ....... I would feel very comfortable stating that this was more humane(or "more moral") than had you killed the man by slashing some artery or asphyxiating him while you simulataneoulsy carved chunks off of his body while he yet lived. To be blunt, had you gone with the latter I'd be hard pressed to determine which of you was the more inhumane or immoral person even if the reason that you found yourself in such need was that he attacked you.
So, personally - yes, these are the morals I live by. I'm fairly confident that you live by them as well. I would suggest that your appraisal of the moral or humane status of livestock production in the general is based less on either the possibilities present, or the majority of operations in either the US or Aus...and more on the worst possible examples of people who bend or break every rule and every established best practice...with just a smidgeon of naivety as to how food is produced but also as to how the propaganda for -all- sides of this hotly debated issue is generated and marketed to the public.
Quote:What the fuck does this even mean? How does it even make a difference? How did you determine that the killing is 'humane'? If I kill a man, but he experienced no pain, would it be okay for me to kill him? Is that the sort of morals you live by?
Lets consider that question in what is otherwise the context of livestock production. You need to kill that man. In that context I would defintely allow that the manner in which you do so has relevance to whether or not I would regard your actions as humane.
If you swiftly hit them over the head with a brick so hard that they were dead -tutsweet- ....... I would feel very comfortable stating that this was more humane(or "more moral") than had you killed the man by slashing some artery or asphyxiating him while you simulataneoulsy carved chunks off of his body while he yet lived. To be blunt, had you gone with the latter I'd be hard pressed to determine which of you was the more inhumane or immoral person even if the reason that you found yourself in such need was that he attacked you.
So, personally - yes, these are the morals I live by. I'm fairly confident that you live by them as well. I would suggest that your appraisal of the moral or humane status of livestock production in the general is based less on either the possibilities present, or the majority of operations in either the US or Aus...and more on the worst possible examples of people who bend or break every rule and every established best practice...with just a smidgeon of naivety as to how food is produced but also as to how the propaganda for -all- sides of this hotly debated issue is generated and marketed to the public.
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