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Why we believe
RE: Why we believe
reminds me of my power of prayer musing...here I will share..

you hear the phrase "power of prayer" often from the faithful...and I was thinking...since there is what....8 billion ppl in the world, and 80%ish purport to believe in a god...so it is probably safe to say that at least 6 billion ppl believe in a god, lets just half that for argument's sake...so the world has 3 billion people that believe in a god, and most likely utter a silent prayer at least once a day..from the mild "please god let me get to work on time", to the frightening "please god dont let him kill me" type prayers. From mild to moderate to fervent, 3 billion people probably utter one prayer a day....just go with it for the moment...so out of those 3 billion daily prayers, how many get answered?

The very few that appear to be answered I posit it is due to the lottery of chance and coincidence. However, if you are the believer who say prayed "oh god let my numbers come in on the lottery pick" (just like every other faithful person who bought a ticket)...and one of those believers wins the lottery...he or she is going to think, Oh my god, he answered my prayer...I am living proof....no, no I say there was 3 billion pulls on the the one armed bandit of prayers game machine and it just seems like your pull happened to come up with the three lemons.....but the bible says ask and ye shall receive right? for example

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." (Matthew 7:7)

"Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 18:19)

"And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." (Matthew 21:22)

"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." (Mark 11:24)

so think about it this way, the handful of prayers that seem to have been answered is not an indication that prayer works, rather we must look at it from the other angle, why didnt the other 2,999,999,992 ish prayers get answered? To me this is an indication that there is no power of prayer, rather it is just the lottery of chance and coincidence.

When it comes to argument from personal experience, I understand how this happens....lets say poor aunt phyllis is in the hospital, and the docs say it doesnt look good, so the family gathers and urgent prayers are made...suddenly the next morning aunt phyllis makes a turn for the better, to the family, this is proof of god's intervention, and answer to prayers...no, it is chance and coincidence, if not then all the billions of prayers on the behalf of sick family members would be answered as well.

Just my thoughts..
You, not a mythical god, are the author of your book of life, make it one worth reading..and living.
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Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 12:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by dyresand - January 13, 2015 at 12:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by SteelCurtain - January 13, 2015 at 1:20 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Why we believe - by Aoi Magi - January 13, 2015 at 2:15 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 2:55 am
RE: Why we believe - by Esquilax - January 13, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 3:21 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Why we believe - by Aoi Magi - January 13, 2015 at 3:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:27 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:13 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:30 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 5:28 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 7:55 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 8:15 am
RE: Why we believe - by ManMachine - January 13, 2015 at 8:18 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Why we believe - by StuW - January 13, 2015 at 8:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:22 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:33 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:41 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 4:51 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 14, 2015 at 4:20 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 10:03 am
RE: Why we believe - by ManMachine - January 13, 2015 at 11:24 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 1:39 pm
RE: Why we believe - by dyresand - January 13, 2015 at 9:23 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:32 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 9:47 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 9:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 9:59 am
RE: Why we believe - by Nope - January 13, 2015 at 10:01 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:02 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Why we believe - by FatAndFaithless - January 13, 2015 at 10:06 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:32 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 11:00 am
RE: Why we believe - by Strider - January 13, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 10:38 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 10:56 am
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: Why we believe - by Davka - January 13, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Why we believe - by Minimalist - January 13, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Grasshopper - January 13, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Alex K - January 13, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Simon Moon - January 13, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 4:17 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 13, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Minimalist - January 13, 2015 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why we believe - by watchamadoodle - January 13, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Thumpalumpacus - January 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Why we believe - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 6:59 pm
RE: Why we believe - by strawdawg - January 13, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Why we believe - by Losty - January 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Why we believe - by goodwithoutgod - January 13, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Why we believe - by robvalue - January 14, 2015 at 4:17 am

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