RE: Proof of God
March 14, 2015 at 8:45 am
(This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 8:53 am by Whateverist.)
(March 3, 2015 at 9:50 am)Harris Wrote:(February 27, 2015 at 2:20 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Your logic above hinges on turning that lack of belief into a positive belief, then attempting to assault that position. But it isn't. Co-incidentally, you don't get to make "nothing can come from nothing" as a law, not unless you can come up with the force which created God
The question, “Who created God?” initiates infinite regressive series of questions about infinite number of gods. That simply means there is no universe and you know that is not true. Because universe exists, therefore, the question “who caused God?” is wrong. God is the uncaused Being Who caused everything else. If human mind do not grasp the idea of timeless God it is because human life is a captive of aging process.
As I recall it wasn't Jacob who initiated the infinite regress. You did that. It is you who are trying to profit here from the question of origins, something about which none of us knows the full and true story.
It is better to say, from our shared ignorance no necessary conclusions may follow. You haven't established a basis for a necessary god and I see no basis for establishing the impossibility of such a thing. Ignorance is ignorance. Lets leave it at that until we actually have something to talk about.
(March 3, 2015 at 11:31 am)Ben Davis Wrote:Quote:If you are convinced that there indeed a necessary thinking being who is the Grand Designer then I would be in position to talk about the known qualities of God.I thought you said that god's "forever outside observational reach"? How can you be in the position to talk about the known qualities of something which is, by your own definition, fundamentally unknowable?
^This.^