Proof of God

[bennyboy]

I didn't say "God is Illogical." I said "your ideas about God. . . are illogical."

What are your logical ideas about God?

I'm not trying to prove any God idea, and do not have to produce ANY ideas about God, logical or otherwise. I can only say that your religious tradition has glaring logical inconsistencies, and therefore IF there is a God, under any definition, it is not under the definition of your religious tradition.

And this is no more a matter of opinion than whether the world can logically be considered flat. Good god + dying babies = illogical.

The law of Nature says:
“Everything that has a beginning has an end.”

Nature's not a person, and there's no such law. You're making stuff up.

The questions about the evil of death are more puzzling for materialists and others who accept the notion that the dead cannot experience pains or other misfortunes. How can then death harm us? If death cannot harm us, how can it be reasonable for us to fear death and to say Death is an EVIL? In materialist scenario, EVIL of pain and suffering exists only with the existence of life.

Despite the fact that materialist has no reason to be afraid of death, fear of death is a universal feeling in everyone. Why then there is a fear of death in everyone? How can materialist explain that fear?

Without God, no one can classify Death as evil.

Is there a reason you deliberately ignore what's already been said, and then reword your same arguments? I told you good/evil/bad are defined by our instinctive feelings about things. Death is evil because we naturally fear harm to the self. We naturally fear harm to the self because those who did not have such fear were (for the most part) weeded out by the process of evolution.

If you're going to quote, don't paraphrase the thing you just quoted. I didn't say that I magically know what is good and not by feeling; I say that people's feelings about things DEFINE what is good to them. That's what meanings MEAN: people have a feeling or idea, and make a word to describe it. However, the supposed goodness of God-- suffering babies and religious wars-- do not meet any sane person's definition of goodness.
If you want to argue that babies who are born, get malaria, and die a week later are good, then it's pretty much /thread, because you're insane.

Can you blame Godless Universe for the tragic death of an infant? Is there anything or anyone you think responsible for all crazy actions in the Godless Universe including the death of an infant or rape of a child or mass killing of innocent people? Can you blame Natural Selection or Nature for that (so-called) evil? Who deserves blame and punishment in the Godless universe? In such a place, all things are equally indifferent, unmeasurable and undecidable, and that our perceptions told us neither truths nor falsehoods about the way things really are.

You imply a false assumption-- that there is a necessity of, or value in, assigning blame to agents for shitty events. Some events, like murder, are clearly caused by someone. Others, like malaria, are caused either by bad luck, by lack of education (i.e. of how to prevent the disease), or of neglect (i.e. of people who could stop a disease but don't bother). Nowhere in all of this is your God idea required, or even of any utility in dealing with the evils discussed. If God were real, people would pray for mosquitoes to be destroyed by miracle. If God is not real, people will ask for more mosquito nets. Want to place bets on which method will reduce malaria?

If you want to blame God then you should first have a sound belief in the existence of God. Without God, your blames have no values, as without God nothing is equal to Good or EVIL.

I don't need to blame God. A God who can be blamed is not perfect, and therefore does not meet the definition of Godhood. Therefore the blame is itself proof that the God represented by your chosen mythology cannot be real.

As for the nothing being Good or EVIL, bullshit, and stop fucking saying it. Good and evil are definitions made by man to describe his feelings about things and events in his environment. Most people have a negative emotional reaction to baby rape, or to the idea of baby rape, and so baby rape is considered evil. No Sky Daddy is required.

If you doubt in the existence of Root then how comes you expect an explanation about the Fruit?

Because if you claim that a good tree exists, and nothing can be found but rotten fruit, then the tree is not what you say it is. I say it's the statistical interactions among forces and materials in the universe over time-- there's no reason why the fruit of this "tree" should be especially favorable to us. You say it's God-- in which case, the fruit should be favorable to us. Simple observation shows us that the world is not intrinsically favorable to peace, happiness, or the protection of innocents like children. Therefore the "tree" of life is not God, at least not God as represented by your definitions and ideas.

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