RE: The First Cause? Prime Mover Argument
May 9, 2015 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2015 at 10:19 pm by robvalue.)
Hmm. You admit you are probably wrong, but you feel OK because everyone else is probably wrong too? That is the tu quoque fallacy.
Thing is, most sceptics would say "I don't know". So they wouldn't be wrong, just honest abut limitations of knowledge. I would not even claim that the conclusion of the hypothesis is wrong per se, but that the arguments that currently try and demonstrate it make flawed assumptions and use logical fallacies. Just like I don't need to claim "there is no God". I simply don't accept the proposition yet due to lack of evidence and arguments. We don't need to actually have the correct answer in order to identify flawed arguments. As a very basic example, I may not know what the square root of 8 is, but I can tell you for sure it's not 2 or 3.
This is a hasty conclusion so please tell me if I'm wrong: it seems you would really like there to be such a thing as a prime mover. Maybe this puts your mind at ease in regard to how things began. You seem to be going to a lot of lengths to justify belief in it, even as far as admitting you're probably wrong. How do you feel about just saying, "I don't know what happened before the plank time"?
Thing is, most sceptics would say "I don't know". So they wouldn't be wrong, just honest abut limitations of knowledge. I would not even claim that the conclusion of the hypothesis is wrong per se, but that the arguments that currently try and demonstrate it make flawed assumptions and use logical fallacies. Just like I don't need to claim "there is no God". I simply don't accept the proposition yet due to lack of evidence and arguments. We don't need to actually have the correct answer in order to identify flawed arguments. As a very basic example, I may not know what the square root of 8 is, but I can tell you for sure it's not 2 or 3.
This is a hasty conclusion so please tell me if I'm wrong: it seems you would really like there to be such a thing as a prime mover. Maybe this puts your mind at ease in regard to how things began. You seem to be going to a lot of lengths to justify belief in it, even as far as admitting you're probably wrong. How do you feel about just saying, "I don't know what happened before the plank time"?
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