RE: What Human Rights?
July 18, 2015 at 2:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 3:04 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think you're reading too much into what it means to be a universal right, Dys. That we might have universal rights does not imply that the list of those rights would not change over time (or that anyone would know everything that belongs on that list at any given time, or indeed that everything on the list at any given time actually belongs there). If we base those rights on our knowledge, and on justifications of knowledge -which we claim to-, then we would need to be able to claim -full knowledge- to require that they never change. Or, IOW, without appealing to a massively illogical claim you can't demand that our lists of universal rights be unchanging or force us to concede that human rights don't exist on those grounds. We should -expect- to see those lists of rights expand and contract as our knowledge increases (or is impeached).
Do you have full knowledge?
I would suggest that what you are discussing is actually infallibility, not universality. I don't claim that any list of human rights is infallible, I doubt that many would, nor do I require them to be in order for human rights to be existent or "true". Nor do I require my opinion (or anyone's) of what belongs on those lists (or anything at all, for that matter) to be objective. If you demand that a list of human rights be infallible and objective then I've got some bad news to break....we have no rights. None, not universal ones, not legal ones, none. That doesn't fit though, because you've already conceded that I have the right to remain silent......
Do you have full knowledge?
I would suggest that what you are discussing is actually infallibility, not universality. I don't claim that any list of human rights is infallible, I doubt that many would, nor do I require them to be in order for human rights to be existent or "true". Nor do I require my opinion (or anyone's) of what belongs on those lists (or anything at all, for that matter) to be objective. If you demand that a list of human rights be infallible and objective then I've got some bad news to break....we have no rights. None, not universal ones, not legal ones, none. That doesn't fit though, because you've already conceded that I have the right to remain silent......
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