(March 23, 2016 at 8:00 pm)AJW33 Wrote:
(March 21, 2016 at 1:24 am)Cecelia Wrote: Actually the complexity of the human eye is a good argument against design. Why would a designer make something more complicated than necessary? The only reason a designer would make something so complicated is because they have limitations. This goes against the Christian God who is said to have made man from Dirt. That's magic.It's actually consistent with science insofar as everything that is necessary to create man can be found in the dirt.
(March 21, 2016 at 1:24 am)Cecelia Wrote: Then you have to consider: The Bible states we were made in his image. If he looks like us, and we appear designed, then he too must appear designed. So who designed him? If he wasn't designed, why is his eye less complex than ours? Was he restricted by laws he didn't create? Or does his eyes work the same as ours, and thus give an appearance of design?"Some people think that being made in the image of God deals with the physical likeness as if God has a body of flesh and blood. This is not the case. Jesus tells us that God, in reference to the Father, is spirit (John 4:24) and that spirit does not have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). Therefore, it cannot be true that we are made in the image of God the Father in the sense that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones.
So then, what does it mean to be made in the image of God? It means that we are made in His likeness in that we have some of the same attributes that God has. For example, God is rational (Isaiah 1:18) and so are we. God can love (John 3:16) and so can we. God can hate (Psalm 5:5, 11:5) and so can we. Because we are made in God's image, we are able to have compassion, mercy, grace, fellowship, friendship, etc. However, as God is all-knowing, we are not. God is ever-present, but we are not.
So, the image of God in us means that we are like Him in some, not all, of His attributes." https://carm.org/image-of-god
It's also consistent with science that we share most of our DNA with Apes, and that we both evolved from a common ancestor. But you'll ignore that because it's inconvenient for you. You'd have to admit that the Adam and Eve story is complete bullshit (which it is. The story 100% never happened.) Also note that for some reason your God is said to have needed Adam's Rib to make a woman. That makes absolutely no sense. But then again the bible makes no sense at all.
The argument for design can basically be applied to everything, and therefore you have nothing to compare it to.
Adam and Eve weren't real people. I'm sorry you have a hard time with this because it conflicts your confirmation bias, and you'll do anything to convince yourself that it's real. But it's not. There never was such a bottleneck of a population. And certainly not TWICE. Cain and Seth would have had to have married their sisters--unless you want to make up stuff and say god created other people too-- and even then Noah descended from Seth, and then had three sons who had three wives, and their cousins had to marry each other again. You can say "GOD MADE THEM GENETICALLY SAFE" but that's just saying MAGIC DID IT. And when you rely on magic, your argument isn't rational in the least bit. There's certainly no reason for any rational person to take your word for it. If we can use magic, then I could easily just say that it wasn't Yahweh who did anything, it was the great god Odin.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton