"Cultural Appropriation"

[The Grand Nudger]

If you say so....but I'd suggest that you might have been sourcing your news from bigots to reach that conclusion.  It wopuld be an impressive feat if the minority oppressed somehow managed to match the majority oppressors for bigotry.  That would have been a neat trick for the oppressed to have had up their sleeve throughout history.  To be able to match the man who holds the levers of control.  

No doubt, but to what degree am I my brother's keeper.  Should I, knowing other white people's bigotry, attempt to counterbalance by being a shining beacon of virtue?  The kind of bigotry you are talking about is antithetical to me, so this plural "we" stuff bothers me.  "We" didn't rape and pillage early native populations-- some fuckers from England did that, and some assholes who aren't of my family did that recently.  Nobody I know, so far as I know, has really done anybody any serious wrong.  On what basis am I meant to participate in the atonement process?

OFC you're your brothers keeper.  We all are.  But no, knowing bigotry both present and past...you don't have to be a shining beacon of virtue...but you can probably manage not to be bigot.  "We" did, Benny..there's no point in trying to distance yourself from your own cultures history.  Yes, I know you didn't do it.  Neither did I.  That doesn't change the fact that it was done and that "we"..yes, you and and I, are the inheritors of that legacy.  

What atonement process?  There will be no acres, no mules, and no royalty checks.  

Fair enough.  For sure saying "We did these here black folk a big favor by taking them away from their savage upbringing and teaching them the word of God" doesn't sit well with me. . . and I've definitely heard that logic applied to natives.  (Keep in mind that I come from a small town near Vancouver, which has a pretty substantial native population, and I think it had literally only one or two black families in the whole town).

How about "well sure we did that cultural appropriation but look at all the nice stuff we got from it!"  How does that sit?  "Is cultural appropriation really a bad thing?"  How about that?  Hey, here's another one "Black Lives Matter". Still sitting comfortably?

Well, I look to evolution for a narrative as to why different people might have turned out differently.  The hardcore bigots you're talking about ONLY EVER talk about evolution in the sense that "survival of the fittest" means he who's doing well, is right to do so at others' expense.

I;m sure that there have been plenty of hardcore bigots who thought that.  The worst bigotry, though, -at least here-....is the stuff that's as wholesome as granny and familiar as apple pie.  Nothing to do with "survival of the fittest".  

Okay it's nice that you and I seem to be pretty much seeing eye to eye.  However, I've definitely been on the end of the hate stick for discussing much the same things, in much the same way, with left-leaning people.  And it seems to me that these days things are going more toward immoderation, and irreconcilable differences, than toward understanding and mutual tolerance.

If differences are irreconcilable they're irreconcilable.  Personally, I think that the bigots should break away from my country and start their own.  Prickistan, where everyone hates everyone else equally.  We have no more time for that, here, in the US...we already wasted the majority of our history on it.

To be honest, I've met straight-up racists-- like KKK level-- who I liked for their honesty; they think races should separate, and they don't want their communities to change, and while I totally disagree with them, I can see that they are sincerely expressing their ideas and opinions.

Sincerely expressed bigotry is still bigotry.  I know a guy like that too, in fact I was raised by a guy like that.  Love him to death, he's still a bigot- the bigotyest bigot I've ever met in my life and I've met alot of bigots, lol.

And I've met Black Lives Matter people who I've disliked because they seem manipulative, insincere, and opportunistic.  Some of those fuckers will shut down a goddamned university if they think it will get them laid, methinks.

The subject of cultural appropriation -and- blm is probably a little more salient than whom you, Benny, like and don't like.  There you are, showing that you clearly are the inheritor of our legacy, by continuing to express the dismissive flippancy that was required in order to -create- and now maintain that history.  By perpetuating the narrative of character assassination through sex seeking, and by questioning their sincerity while commenting on the sincerity..of the fucking KKK rep, in wherever you're from.

Imagine yourself to be an outsider.  If you saw that a person kept coming down on the side of the bigots..in familiar bigot ways...then you're going to start wondering whether or not they're a bigot...aren't you?  

An outsider, wont, for example..know you like I know you, they won't know that you're a decent person who -maybe- just expresses their cultures bigoted legacy on accident (I guess?), sometimes.  They probably won't think that you've been getting your news from bigots on accident.  In fact, they probably wouldn't think that you accidentally reaffirm those narratives on accident, at all.  

That you like some racist shitheel, and don't like some BLM protester...has absolutely nothing to do with cultural appropriation not being a thing, a bad thing, any new facism from the left, or any comparative assessment of the virtue of either person or group. Your buddy in the KKK is wrong, end of. BLM, not so much. If you're placing the two side by side....and you did (why, lol?)...then I'm going to whitegenocide the KKK guys culture into oblivion, just like he's worried about..because his is a hateful culture that is anathema to american culture. It doesn't belong here, it belongs in the past - and if we could just put it in the fucking past..then maybe we wouldn't have to keep answering for that past in the present...and isn't that the point of cultural appropriation and BLM in the first place...when you think about it?

Unfortunately, "the left" - those fascists that have you so worried..they tell me I'm not allowed to call a bigot a bigot..because it's not polite, lol. Besides, they know bigots that they love, and it hurts their feelers that I call their mommy and daddy bigots. They blame my calling bigots bigots for their current powerlessness. They think we should include those bigots who would exclude the others, particularly if they do the genteel racism rather than lynchings. They think they need to pander to them. Some facists they turned out to be...such a dissappointment. I'm never going to be able to get the whitegenociding done without stormtroopers.