"Cultural Appropriation"

[The Grand Nudger]

Lets take another example. from earlier in thread..when one of the usual suspects attempted to insist that cultural appropriation was equivalent to learning spanish.

I grew up in a heavily latino state.  Because of this, I sprinkle spanish in my everyday language.  I like their food.  I cook it alot.  Their music, their art, their culture.  I make salsa and sell it, sometimes.  This is me adopting elements of another culture.  This is cultural transfer.  

If, however, I did all of the above, while actively attempting to kick the latinos out of my country, calling them rapists and bad hombres.  Insisting that they were takers.  Blaming our societal and economic woes on them.  Enforcing ethnic stereotypes and traditional bigotries.  Supporting the abuse of their rights by my state.........then, then.......it would be cultural appropriation.

Gee...doesn't that sound like a particular demographic of americans....to anyone?  The kind of americans who seem to have a compulsion to deny that something like that ever happens or is a bad thing.  Can't imagine why they'd be so motivated to deny, minimize, or de-legitimize the issue.

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You're starting to get catty. I am a grown-up. Therefore, grown-up conversation. Here, just have a wiki article. Left-wing fascism is real, whether you want it to be or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

Good, because you're being ridiculous.  You just linked to a page that explicitly states that this is a term used as a euphimism for similarities between a distinctly right wing political ideology and their left wing counterparts....predictably where they -would- have similarities, on grounds of their authoritarianism.   

I don't have to take it up with anybody. I can't help if you don't see it for what it is, but socialism and fascism have been bedmates for a very long time. That's coming from someone who loves bits of socialism. I just don't trust men to implement it.

I prefer to liken the political compass to a circle, where the left and the right meet on at least two ends and, predictably at those ends, show similarities.   I don;t trust anyone to implement socialism..mostly because fascists have an uncanny ability to pass themselves off as socialists, lol....

It is an indicator when the similar things they do are fascist. Moreover, the far left is not all socialist. I don't know why you keep saying that.

Socialism is the definition of the far left authoritarian slot on the political compass.  Authoritarianism is the top.  Where either side goes up they both go towards authoritarianism, but their authoritarianism takes on distinctly identifiable focuses and objectives.   This is how we can tell the difference between them..in spite of their similarities.

Huh? Again, I don't care about who is in the statehouse as it pertains to this discussion. I am talking about very vocal individuals from both sides of the spectrum who are damaging our society. I never made any statements regarding who has more power right now. I've never made any statements saying all of the left wing or all of the right wing are fascist. They both have fascist elements. You cannot point to which radical left-winger I choose to refer to and say it invalidates my argument. As long as there is one, my statements remain true.

They both have -authoritarian- elements, Shell.

Well, the law does . . . bruh. It's not cultural appropriation. It's a fucking crime that's already condemned.

Do you imagine that it -was- the law when the cultural appropriation occurred?  Or, even if it were, that an oppressed minority could expect equal protection under law?  

Okay, that's not the debate we're having. Don't care.

We're hardly having a debate at all.  As usual.

Because it is fucking cultural appropriation. It's the very thing the first respondent who decried cultural appropriation referred to. It's the fucking goalpost. You're talking about hate crimes, crimes against humanity, theft of intellectual property rights. These things already have names. If you think that's cultural appropriation, I can see why you're angry. I'd be angry at bees if I thought bee meant Nazi.

No, it;s not.  You, like pablo, are attempting to use an incomplete description of cultural appropriation. Go read a book (at least with you I think you might, lol).

People don't deny the shittiness of the stuff you're quoting. You just don't know what cultural appropriation is.   

They do...they did in this thread.   They do in the statehouse.  Just because -you- don't want to have that discussion with me, doesn't mean it isn't happening.  

Slavery isn't happening in America right now. No wonder you're so riled up. Also, no I am not a successor member of the culture that did the deed. I don't have a single slave-owning relative of which I am aware, and I am aware of quite a lot of them, given that my sister is a genealogist. Also, I could be second-generation South African for all you know. You only know that I'm now American.

Who's talking about slavery?  We're talking about cultural appropriation..which actually is happening, again.  Probably why it;s so onerous for the usual suspects to make the usual arguments.  If I had to guess.

Did I ever say it wasn't a bad thing? Nope. You said we repeatedly as if we should own that shit. I won't, and I shouldn't have to. It's absurd.

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Nope. A bunch of liberals are fascists because they're authoritarians who would love to have a liberal dictatorship whereby they enforce their SJW politics. You think it's just on the Internet? Cute.

-We- do own whatever comments -we- make about it today.  We only own "it" in the context of past misdeeds in the sense that we are the cultural and actual descendants of those people..as I've repeatedly expressed, to multiple posters, more than once...and now..yourself.  That we are the country that did that, and is now doing it again.

What's absurd is you taking offense to something I have repeatedly assured every single poster in this thread of is emphatically not my position.

In any case, that some crazy on the internet, or your witless leftist neighbor, has authoritarian tendencies doe not concern me. What concerns me are what authoritarian tendencies are in the mainstream, in the statehouse. The american right unleashed the alt-white on us. They are not just looneys, being loonies, on the looneytubes. They are at the helm..of government. Find me where our left wing has done the same, has opened pandoras box in that way?

This is entirely based on your misunderstanding of the term cultural appropriation. You could say cultural appropriation is wearing a headdress and stealing things you found while perpetrating the Rape of Nanking, but you definitely can't say wearing a headdress that belongs to another culture isn't cultural appropriation. I'm sorry, but your definition is wrong. I don't say that because I want to be right. Seriously, you are using the term incorrectly and are the only person in this thread who is using that distorted definition. I can't waste time talking about it if you're not using the same definition as everyone else. Have a good day.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills............